BREAKING | Stewards hand out penalty to Verstappen after crash with Hamilton
FIA verdict in detail
3 place penalty is a light penalty.The severity of the accident is a vatal one.He do not challenge other drivers like that.He should have a race band.By walking away without checking shows the bad spormanship and spoilt brat..Hamilton will now kick his ass..
YOU SHOULD REALLY LEAN TO SPELL FIRST, BEFORE YOU THINK YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MOTOR RACING AND BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON IT...OBVIOUSLY IQ.= BOILED BRUSSEL SPROUT.....
I am going for Max in this championship, but I agree with stewards decision. Max was not sufficiently along side on entry to chicane, and he should have yeilded the corner to Lewis in order to avoid a collision. He had less to lose by taking himself and Lewis out than he stood to lose by yeilding, but you can not make decisions based on that.
It's sad to read all these "arm chair quaterbacks" opinions.
"The FIA stewards are helping Mercedes or Lewis". When the stewards change for every race, and at Monza none were English.
Or "That was clearly LHs fault - clear as day" when they have no real understanding of the rules and dont have the depth of data and analysis the Stewards have.
It is what it is, and the decision has been made by a board of professionals with a wealth of data to support thier findings. Move on.
1 LARGE FACT! ONE OF THE STEWARDS USED TO WORK FOR TOTO WOLF AROUND FIVE/SIX YEARS AGO. SO HOW IS THAT 100% FAIR?
Max was WAY too optimistic to go for that move.
Did he seriously expect that move was going to pay off and that Lewis would just move over and let him through? If the drivers were switched Max would have done the self same thing.
Max says "he never gives me space" when what really means "he never let's me go past". As if he's entitled it every time. How can he not understand that Lewis isn't going to make it easy just like Max wouldn't.
Max didn't give Lewis space on lap 1, turn 4 either and forced Lewis off-track. He doesn't like it when it happens to him though.
No way was that move ever on. I think Max knew that and he was in 'let me through or we crash' mode. If they both go out Max is still leading so it might have even been calculated. Not saying it was deliberate but I don't rule out the possibility. Max had less to lose.
He could have taken to the kerbs but refused it. Nor did he back out.
I get the imporession he has a bit to learn about how to win a championship. Pick your fights and know when to and when not to back out of it. If you can't win, be 2nd. If you can't win or be 2nd, be 3rd.
Max knew it was his only opportunity there and he'd likely have been raging from his 11s stop too. He was too committed in the wrong place. Red Bull expected to lose point to Merc today so to go out with none of them scoring is better for Red Bull and I know Max knew that.
His penalty is deserved and I think he got off lightly.
Not to mention Max's rear tyre hitting Lewis on the head. Once again we have the halo to thank so that nothing more serious happened.
Johnny Herbert and Damon Hill saw it right.
When Horner calls it a 'racing incident. It was 50/50' you know that means he knows it was Max's fault he was out. Otherwise Horner would be stabbing Lewis/Mercedes again.
Once again Max and his pig-headed aggression. Cost him in Silverstone and cost him here. When will he learn?
So Lewis push Max out at Silverstone with a move a beginner would have known would cause an accident and he gets nothing.
Race incident
Now they both collide and Max gets 3 grid retrograde because??…….
Hoo regulations.
Shame on the stewards and shame on F1 FIA et all.
Ferrari fan
Lewis didn't push Max out at Silverstone. Saying that you imply it was deliberate. If you think that, what is your evidence? Prove intent.
Max went for a move in Monza that was never going to work. Silly him for thinking otherwise. Lewis is not going to move over and let him by any more. Lewis already backed out once from Max on turn 1 because he knows when to and when not to fight it. Max doesn't or won't.
I hope he loses the championship for this one reason. He needs to pick his moments and assess risks better.
Assuming of course that taking Hamilton out wasn't payback.
So is this the part where Toto runs to the Stewards and beg for a race ban for Verstappen like Horner did in Silverstone. Nope - The Mercedes team has way more honor and class than RBR!!!!!
Pink glasses of the FIA.
Look at the fitst lap where LH us in the same position with Lando. Here LH takes very different linea and gave space.
But it is a fact that MB has to be champignon for the 8 time with LH this year because LH ears will be wasshed next year bij Russel
What's the FIA got to do with it? These are the stewards who make the decisions.
You should be looking at who has had the most incidents in their time in F1. That would be Max and he's been in F1 7 years less than Lewis.
Lewis has no history of incidents like this.
You should also be looking at Imola and Lap 1, turn 4 at Monza where, in both cases, Max pushed Lewis off track when they were alongside each other in the corner.
Before the crash, Max went for a move that was never going to work. I'd bet all the other F1 drivers.... well maybe no Mazepin.... but all the others, would have backed out of that or not tried it in the first place.
For Max to keep on it and expecting space around turn two was wildly optimistic and foolish. He could have turned out of it at any time and didn't. He was ready to have a collision if necessary.
His penalty is lenient but deserved.
The stewards have no dog in the fight of who does or doesn't become WDC. Plus stewards change every race.
Always favour mercedes and Hamilton.
Fia need new stewards, its a racing incident bunch of Morans
OMG, like you know more than seasoned professionals with a wealth of precise data and telemetry? Plus at least a passing comprehension of the rules.
In this case Moron (spelt correctly and singular).
Morans? :) Like Dylan?
There are different stewards at different races. It's not the same one's every race. haha :)
Giving Hamilton a 10s penalty at Silverstone wasn't favouring Mercedes. So that has negated your statement. Unless you think the stewards could have handed out a harsher penalty and didn't.
I would argue they didn't have to hand one out at all yet they did.
Now what?
Behave. How about some respect to a multi world champion. If he was so reckless in the past there would have been many many incidents. But there are not.
I hate the halo!!!
It's open wheel, open cockpit racing!!!
Bring back the purity!!!!
So you would prefer it that a driver is injured or killed in the wreckless accident Max caused in Monza?
All in the name of 'purity' whatever that is.
I told you, Monza was going to be UGLY - and it was, and F1 organization would do everything in their power to help Lulu gain advantage, and they did!
Max is so determined to win this season his new tactic is to drive over other people's heads ;)
I gotta say, the stewards were 100% right on this one, too much speed into the corner by someone who wasn't prepared to be behind another driver caused it.
serves him rite i am very happy with the stewards decision
You never left Lewis any space from the beginning of the race and Smart Lewis backed out and when the same happens to you you force yourself in ending both your races
I think not - Martin Brundle, that waste of space Di Resta we’re pushing their agenda so much it was clear they were trying to influence the outcome of the investigation. Johnny Herbert may lose his job if he continues to remain objective when discussing incidents involving LH. NO DRIVER has had to face the amount of negativity LH has endured. The MV fans on here were Vettel fans before and Rosberg fans before that. Next year they will be GR fans until he fails better LH, before moving onto the next great hope. ?
No surprise here other than the correct outcome. I bet the telemetry shows Max breaking later than usual and carrying too much speed into the corner (but this will not be disclosed). Quite clear that Max was not alongside enough to claim the corner. Max simply can’t have his cake and eat it. At some point in his driving career he will have to learn which battles are worth fighting and which aren’t.
IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED GREAT RACING AS AS SENNA/PROST USED TO DO, UNTIL PROST OUSSIED OUT, LIKE HAM...
Max needs to control his own emotions. He was unsettled since the tyre condition and slow pit stop issues. It drags when he saw Lewis right accross. He wouldn't care too much if it was other drivers had been in Lewis' place just now.
Amd obviously...the stewards did look at the outcome...didn HAM receive 10s at Silverstone? ?
.. the only fair thing what should have happened was Max could finish the race a become first and get a 10 second penalty...
MaFIA! As I expected... Mercedes owns half of the grid and FIA.
Well, as a Max fan, I can understand the position. I agree that Max was a bit too overzealous in that corner, but I still think that if Hamilton leaves the door that wide in turn 1, he should at least give space in turn 2. It is what it is and there was no doubt in my mind the FIA would jump on Max when given the chance. I mean, its Hamilton we're talking about here, but Max put himself on the spot!
Couldn't agree more. If HAM let VER next to him in 1st corner, then you can't shut the same driver out in 2nd corner. I must say, I would have done the same in both cases. If I would have been HAM, I would have shut the door and if I would have been VER, I would have gone for it. And without that pump in the cerb, they would probably have made it.
Earlier, I stated my views, believing it was a racing incident. The stewards rule that Max was predominantly to blame and others say he could have backed out of it. This would have been the wiser move but I still do not think he was obligated to back out of it. Without the sausage curb he might have been able to make the corner on the inside. Others rode this curb and the results were different. I think he mad a very aggressive move, caught the edge of the curb differently, and up he went. So yes, the stewards are correct in that it was predominantly his fault. But I still question the penalty, believing it was a 60-40 or 70-30 racing incident. I know others will disagree and I respect everyone's opinion if it is based on the incident and not their like or dislike of the respective drivers.
I actually think it's one of the smartest comments here. People trying to see the incident as neutral, that's what I respect. Not 1 side blaming the other blindly and vice versa. I also agree 90% of what you say, I would also say it's racing incident,. This 10% of what I disagree, is I see it more of a HAM fault. I would have felt bad even if HAM would have got a penalty for that, but more so I feel bad VER getting penalty for that. But life's not fair. I've been a races myself and stewards have given me penalties for crashes that I was not even involved, so everybody are human and make mistakes, even stewards.
I think the problem started at Silverstone - Hamilton got a very lenient penalty and that started a very dangerous precedent. Now there's another crash between them and the stewards probably decided the penalty must be harsh or it will happen again. It feels rather unfair. However the main problem is stewards being inconsistent - if the penalty for Hamilton at Silverstone wasn't so lenient, it would be easier to understand the decision today.
Laughing my a** off.. I just got a picture in WhatsApp from Hamilton showing skidmarks on his head... Rofl
What an evil little critter max is didn’t even check that SLH was ok even though he could see the damage
hams was trying to reverse the car. What could max have done? If he went near lewis then he might have gotten run over.
I think its the way he reacted.It made them to know it was intentional.He never dared to see if his car over someone's head is right or not,interestingly Lewis well being.He is evil this young man
He even said thats what you get when you dont give space.He is satisfied.Everytime you here Horner saying its a racing incident,know that they are guilty,everytime.Even the stewards knows.So next time you here him saying that,just know a penalty looming.
Didn't you see the same race we did? Lewis was trying to reverese his car, VER looked at him and walked away. What you want VER to do? Go talk to HAM same time HAM is trying to get back on track?
Crahstappen better understand that this is just the beginning. The FIA is paying attention now. Next racing incident like this will result in a RACE BAN for Crashstappen. Just saying. LOL
Max reminds me of that evil child in 'The Omen'. Devil incarnate
Maxs gets the blame, he should of done more damage to Lewis car , damm, hopefully he gets pole at Russia, and starts 3rd, thats another damage limt weekend, after that its p1 till the end, and Lewis cant stop him
You mean Max should have caused a fatality?
You need to know when to draw the line mate on hating. I for one do not like Max Verstappen’s driving style but one does not wish him harm.
Despicable of you to say the least.
It is increasingly looking like there's a plan to give Lewis the Championship. This is a stupid decision. FIA and the stewards have been handing penalties to Red Bull, slowing down their engines, increasing their pitstop timings and ignoring possible engine infringement from the Mercs. Next year with George in, Lewis has no chance of winning any more championship, so this is clearly his last hurrah.
You should be scared for Max.Everyone is paying attention that this boy never yields,more penalties coming until he learns when to attack.
UNFORTUNATELY GEORGE HAS BEEN TOLD HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO RACE HIS TEAM MATE, THIS WAS DIRECT FROM TOTO WOLF AT MONZA IN THE MERCEDES MOTORHOME. HOW SAD IS THAT, SIR CHEAT AT ALL MEANS ALOT HAMILTON IS SCARED OF GEORGE BEING THE BETTER RACER THAN HIM, WHAT A COWARD HE REALLY IS...
Only 10 seconds!!!!!!
This guy almost killed Lewis Hamilton today and he gets only this joke?!!!!!!!
The 10 seconds Lewis got for a racing incident translated to way more than this farce of a penalty...
ALMOST KILLED HIM? WHAT MOTOR RACE DID YOU WATCH? IT WAS CLEAR THE CULPRIT WAS CLEARLY THE COMPLETE NARSASIST HAMILTON, WHO ALWAYS PANICS WHEN HE IS UNDER ATTACK IN RACING AND IS DANGEROUS, SILVERSTONE PERFECT EXAMPLE, PUSHES MAX INTO A 50+G CRASH, MONZA FORCEING ANOTHER CAR OFF THE ROAD, AND THE CAR DID NOT JUMP DUE TO THE CURB IT WAS REAR WHEEL TO WHEEL CONTACT THATS HOW HAMILTON WAS PUSHING MAX OFF THE TRACK TO WHICH A DRIVER IS NOT ALLOWED TO, UNLESS YOUR HAMILTON AND THEN COMPLAIN TO EVERYONE UNTIL HE GETS HIS OWN WAY WITH (RACISM) AS A VEILED THREAT. ALSO WHEN HE CAME BACK TO THE GARAGE THERE WAS NOT A MARK ON HIS HELMET SO THE WHEEL, TYRE, NEVER TOUCHED HIM, ANOTHER LIE FROM HIM. AND YES I WAS IN THERE TO SEE WITH MY OWN EYES, ON VB'S SIDE. SO UNTIL YOU KNOW THE FACTS SHUT UP WITH YOUR FAKE NEWS AND CRAP....OK?
I didn't bother reading you.
Stop shouting. That's what it means when you write in caps.
This must be biggest joke of this year. VER was clearly next to HAM in that corner. And rules say, when you are next to somebody, other driver must leave you enough space. HAM did not. So FIA is working against his own rules here. I don't remember when last time I've seen that the victim gets a penalty. Let's see who are the stewards, maybe can have some conclusions from there.
It's not in thee corner, it's at the approach. If you went in fast enough you, d always get caar along side... Stewards will have studied telemetry and video. There is a point where its obvious LH is taking territory, max continues into it. But I sort of agree LH could have given room but relinquished track position and place in doing so.
Must admit I, m surprised. I, d have penalised Hamilton if anyone. Still think Hamilton didn't leave enough room but having not done so Max could have backed off.
I think MV has been penalised on consequence, it would have killed Lewis without the Halo.
Penalised HAM, for what? Even the RBR crowd didn't say so, they said racing incident, both Horner and Marko...meaning Max at fault
Verstappen / Bottas - Monza 2018. Max got penalized for not giving space at the end main straight/entry turn 1
https://youtu.be/Be3eK9W_td0
Lewis pushed Max exactly the same way to the outside at this point.. The rest would not have happened....
Bullshit but who cares anyway. Another no pain penalty like we saw with Lewis. Red Bull is to take a power unit penalty in Sochi anyway.
This is one of many crashes to come.....
No space means my car on your head was the message to Lewis today. The rules for this season were set on Silverstone with the 51G assault without a proper penalty. Max is a quick learner.
It's not the only strange decision today. Giovinazzi got penalty for unsafely joining the track - kinda like Vettel in Canada 2019, questionable. Norris exceeded track limits three or four times, was repeatedly warned not to do this, but didn't get a penalty at all. Mazepin got a penalty for causing a collision even though he didn't hit another driver, just a foam board. At least the penalty for Perez for not giving position back to Leclerc was correct.
As a Hamilton fan I am not sure that I 100% agree with this one. I think it was a racing incident. Guess Redbull will just take the engine penalty at Russia anyways so overall doesn't impact them really.
Meh....3 spaces...maybe it's time to take that new engine. Sochi isn't that strong of a track for them anyway. Great job Red Bull on the "Damage Limitation".....lol!!!
Indeed. Maybe Crashstappen gets the point. if not, the next one for him should be a 1 race ban. Enough is enough. Crashstappen NEEDS to learn to race between the white lines, not into other racers.
Lewis just doesn't know how to fight Verstappen. He left the door open initially.
Who had to give space in your opinion?
Max got penalized for not giving space at entry turn 1 in 2018 vs Bottas.
Exactly what Lewis did this afternoon.....
https://youtu.be/Be3eK9W_td0
Finally, the right decision. Crashstappen needs to LEARN. This sort of racing crap needs to stop.
Very strange decision, considering Hamilton got only 10 sec at Silverstone.
How can they give max. Ten second penalty when he didn’t finish the race
Hamilton's penalty for Silverstone was far too lenient compared to this. That's the point.
Max got of lightly, 5 points ahead at a Mercedes winning track. 3 place grid penalty a joke like Elblanco ?
well , you and the penalty have something in common then lol
There was no space. Its a racing incident ffs. And even if it was max's fault then how come hams only got a 10-second penalty in Silverstone where it was a much more dangerous crash.
You might remember that when lewis served his 10 second penalty in Silverstone he lost considerably more that 3 places, mabey they should have given max a 10 second penalty to serve after qualifying in the next race instead, he could start from 20th position then would that have made you any happier
So you want him to have 5 secs penalty in the next race? You should know how the penalty system works, you get secs penalty in the race but positions off it, unless it's intentional, which I don't think it was, same as in Silverstone
that's the MIA for ya , you get 10 sec for a deliberate murder attack and 3 grid penalty for a racing incident lmao .
What a mindless post unless your saying Max’s attack was intended to cause injury
Oh, the Drama! lol lol Max and his cadre of Drama Queens. Too funny!
If it was in the race he would have had 10 secs, it was the same issue, too much speed to make the corner, then continued off track
Grow up, VER had too much speed to go in the corner, went off track then continued to push off track, then went over the curb
Lol...too much speed? Where you got that from? He could that corner all day every day, had there been room. The question is...whould he have went for it? I dont think so
He had room of a car, what the hell you are talking about, he continued his action off track and on the sausage curb, this is why he was found predominantly at fault
That's why he got the penalty. There wasn't enough room and he had the option to go down the runoff. I he had the room we wouldn't be having this conversation!
That's the point - there wasn't any room if Lewis didn't move. Lewis didn't move and Verstappen was carrying too much speed to make the corner. If he were a mature driver he would have left enough room in the event Hamilton didn't move which is an option only Hamilton had control over - not Verstappen. RBR & the fans have filled Max's head that he is the second coming of Hamilton and the King of the track!
Hahaha okay, if you're convincrd that RB has the better car, I don't think a sane discussion is possible! ?
LOL - Max has the best car this year, Isn't that what you wanted, Getting scared that Lewis is giving him a run for his money in a lesser? Why, because that would deflate your narrative that Lewis only wins bec ause he has the best car!
Lol.what...you make no sense at all!?! Lewis won 4 races? He should in the best car! And now is Red Bull somewhat on par (on some tracks) but the last 4-5 seasons there was >0.3s per lap difference
You proved my point when you mentioned Bottas. He is in the best car as well. Max has been in the 2nd best car. He only managed to win 2 races all last year. Lewis has already beat Max in 4 races and there are 9 races to go. You didn't make you argument when you actually look at the FACTS!
Hahaha that is sooo cute! However, you forget to mention that Max was rifing in a vastly inferior car vs the most dominant car/team that ever existed! Mayne 17 wins is not impressive to you (even though it should), just look how many Ricciardo had...or better yet...Bottas after 5 years in the most dominant car that ever was! ?
Oh Please! Sad watching Max fans trying to turn a Sow into a silk purse. Max is classless. He will never be the Superstar Lewis Hamilton is. He is a petulant brat who has been told he is the second coming. The dude has only won 17 races in 7 years? Come on. Lewis not only missed the Championship by one point in his Rookie year, he actually won the Championship in his 2nd year! Max doesn't have the characture
No...not the second coming of Lewis....ewww go wash your mouth...
He is the second coming of Senna....according to the Brazilians themselves that is...
His name is sung louder at Interlagos, than Lewis' name at Sikverstone...there is a reason for that...
Ridiculous analysis. The level of your opinions is sinking lately. Nevertheless the FIA judged this as VER’s fault with a very small and poor substantiation. It is what it is.
Let's start putting speed limits now Vish. Let's also get some Toyota Prius and drive them around Monza. We will have some amazing racing then.
I have a better idea: Let's teach drivers to not try to occupy the same space as another driver and expect everyone to move for him. The epitome of Arrogance! He finally got slapped on the wrist. Hamilton got a tire over the head!
This tyre was a consequence of a launch by the sausage kerbs to which VER was pushed to. No one could have expected that the tyre would land on HAM’s head. Besides this, it is part of the job to be in risky circumstances. If HAM doesn’t want that, he should retire. In any case it was more a coincidence than the 51G at Silverstone.
Yes, if it doesn't go Max's way it MUST be corruption, right ? haha
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