While Christian Horner believes Red Bull's decline in performance during the second-half of the 2024 season was not due to Adrian Newey's departure, external advisor Helmut Marko is not on the same page as the British team principal.
The 2024 season begin the way 2023 ended for Red Bull Racing. Max Verstappen was dominant early on, however, a few races into the season, the picture has changed. During the Miami GP, it was also announced that master designed Adrian Newey will leave the Austrians. As the season continued, the RB20 performed worse, and was often behind Ferrari and McLaren in terms of performance.
Marko on Newey's departure
Team principal Christian Horner said in September that there is no correlation between the RB20 performance and Newey's departure, but Helmut Marko does not agree. The Austrian sees that things only got worse for the team since the Briton left, while Horner only tries to downplay the situation.
"We had started well and dominated, but since Newey left, our engineers have actually had a bit of a hard time getting the most out of the car," Marko began.
"Although things were gradually moving in the right direction towards the end of the season and we can say that we are very optimistic for the future, the truth is that from Miami onwards, the teams hoping for victory became four, as McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes had joined the competition, by turns," the Austrian concluded to Autosprint.
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Horner is the TP. He will always lie (as he usually does) to protect his position. Newey left because of Horner's scandal, which was the final straw, so obviously Horner has to cover himself as though Newey leaving is nothing for RB. He doesn't want anyone to see that he messed up. Horner is a lying scumbag, to the press and to his wife.
Newey left also bc some like Wache wanted to promote and had no place. Horner said this in an interview. So let the young guns like Wache &co show what are they made of. Their real worth. Behind all those slogans with organization does not depend of a single individual.
Horner said it? I don't believe a single word that leaves Horners mouth. Nothing. Horner only says things that protect him and make it look like RB is a smooth running well-oiled machine when it isn't. Wache has no authority to promote himself or anyone. You don't ditch Newey to let young people show what they can do. Newey resigned, he wasn't sacked.
Agree with your post. Besides the last sentence, obviously. Why the continuous namecalling? All because some Max fanboys wrote mean comments about your hero? Grow up.
Why? Because I feel like it. It suits me. Horner is a scumbag imo. I'm speaking my mind and being honest. You can appreciate that can't you? :) Fanboys? You can't refer to them as trolls, which is far more accurate? Nah, this one's on me. Horner is a d-bag. Consider it a freebie. I'm all grown up matey. Don't worry about that.
"Although things were gradually moving in the right direction towards the end of the season and we can say that we are very optimistic for the future" max's p6s in mexico and abu dhabi and p5 in vegas is "moving in the right direction" helmet?
Two people from the same team saying different things look bad and should be avoided. It makes the anti-RBR clan cream when hearing these things.
It depends what that 'same team' is. Both Marko and Horner are idiots. But the difference is Horner is a liar and Marko is an idiot at times. In situations like this, I'd believe Marko, simply because Horner will lie to cover himself and not make it look like he caused something bad or did something wrong. He lied about the affair, he lied about the budget cap and he lied about how the rules were interpreted, after AD'21.
It's good actually, shows that people in RB can have their own opinions and don't follow the leader and teams propaganda. I also don't think anyone takes these anti-RBR people seriously anymore. They have fallen to the bottom lately, with their negativity on every Verstappen article and with using ChatGPT. That's what they are, anti-RBR. No neutrality in them. So nothing to talk with them either. They write more negative comments about Verstappen and RB, than they show support for hamilton. Again, shows what kind of people they are.
You are so right. Twisted trolls who never deviate from the same old worn out script. They are not fans of F1 they are simply sad individuals. Most of us can not wait for the new season to start. There are so many things to look forward to and so many questions that only time will answer. Things we can speculate on and discuss, but not with some of these trolls they are simply a waste of time.
My reply to Cain applies to you too. Again, feel free to ignore or mock it, and never learn or understand why things are as they are. I am also looking forward for the new season. But you know it's going to be another season on here of people getting insulted and trolled by Max fans as it is every year. If not other members, then the British media, British stewards, etc. Anti-Brit sentiment is ignored here by Max fans. Anti-Hamilton sentiment on here was ignored on here since end of 2020 by all non Hamilton fans. Sat back and let it happen. Anti-Hamilton posts will return here if Lewis is competitive again and especially if there are clashes with Max. Read my reply to Cain, if for no other reason so you can dismiss it out of hand as crap and tell me to that I'm just 'blaming others'. The usual default BS response that implies all Max fans have been innocent over the last 4 F1 seasons.
I agree, Fangio. Engaging with trolls really is a waste of time. Life is full of beauty and connecting with people who want to see the same beauty, even in a sport like F1, is rewarding and enriching. Can't wait for the full season to start as well. Hopefully, we will be delighted with some masterclass races like we were last year.
Ok Cain, before you whinge again about people criticising Verstappen, take this on board. Over two years of solid anti-Hamilton hate trolling on this blog took place from end of 2020 to some time into 2023, before the admin banned enough of them for it to finally calm down. I have a feeling you (and others who whinge about anti-RBR) said nothing to those trolls when all that was going on. In 2021, the anti-Hamilton comments were worse than ANYTHING that has ever been said about Max on here. Where were you then to speak out against them? Non Hamilton fans kept their mouths shut and likely left 'likes' on those troll posts because they enjoyed Hamilton getting trolled. Over two years of that. People not saying anything to those trolls and not complaining about it at the time are guilty by proxy for how this site developed because of that. I consider them all, enablers. So many of you sat back and not only watched it happen but enjoyed it. But I and others were here to push back against those trolls from 2021 onwards. The animosity I feel on here because of those people has shaped how I comment today. The enablers let that happen. So now it's Max's turn to get some criticism and occasionally trolling. Suddenly all the voices are here speaking out and pretending they're the true F1 fans and just want to enjoy F1. My animosity still exists, and I don't see that changing. Those trolls over that period helped me develop and intense dislike for Max and Red Bull (AD'21 killed RB for me permanently). Horner is a scumbag as is Wheatley. Max is a very good driver who is let down by his unsporting and dirty driving style, his inability to cleanly go wheel to wheel with anyone and his unfeeling attitude towards drivers and media. But that's his character, we see it in his sim-racing too. Well where was that 'we just want to enjoy F1' sentiment during the anti-Hamilton era on here? No-one complained about the anti-Hamilton trolls on here, except the non-RB fans. Not a single RB fan reeled in those trolls. So before you go whinging about anti-RB people on here, just think on about how and why that is happening. Just because the anti-Hamilton crap has finally died down, doesn't mean I have to stop criticising Max or Red Bull. Not when we still now, constantly have a stream of RB fan trolls making their appearance, creating posts designed to inflame and provoke. And why is it, when there's an argument between an RB fan and a non-RB fan, when someone intervenes, it's ALWAYS the non-RB fan that gets insulted or criticised? How come the RB fan is NEVER seen as being the one in the wrong, even when they instigated the slanging match in the first place. What you're complaining about isn't just hateful people trolling Max/RB to be a troll. Not in my case it isn't. A lot of is is karma for what was dished out for 2.5 years and no-one on here did anything about those anti-Hamilton trolls, who made some disgusting comments during 2021. Some even banned for direct racist comments. So there you go, that's my story. You're just going to say "meh, there you go again, just blaming others". That's going to be the simple-minded answer isn't it? As IF others are/were all innocent. Get real. You either have a problem with driver/team trolling or you don't. You either support trolls or you don't. Simple as that. You don't get to selectively just pick out non Max/RB fans and forget about the others. If trolls were undesirable, then why was nothing ever said to the anti-Hamilton trolls back then? Why were they enabled to poison this site for so long? Only me and a small handful of others stepped up to give them a taste of their own medicine. Now with the way RB fans have resorted to personal insults to complain to the the non-Max fans, what incentive do I or anyone else have to appease those people and back down? If you don't want to listen to anything I have to say on this, then bury your head in the sand as if I'm talking complete crap. Now you expect neutrality? Non Max fans are treated on here as if they are not welcome. And if anyone makes the slightest criticism of Max/RB then they get backlash and usually from people who personally insult them for their criticism. Also labelling them as haters, trolls etc. Max is NOT immune to criticism. He's a controversial, polarising figure in the sport. Since 2021, only 2 Max supporters have ever been close to understanding my position and reasoning on here. Now both of those people have left the blog unfortunately. Fangio forever talks about worn out scripts and 'simply sad individuals'. Where was he when the anti-Hamilton trolls were spouting off? Liking their posts too? The ONLY reason there isn't much anti-Hamilton trolling on here at the moment is because since 2022 he hasn't been able to be a threat to Max because he's been handed crap cars for a little over two years. If in 2025, Lewis is competitive where he is battling Max, you WILL see the anti-Hamilton knives come out again. Ignore or mock my words all you want. Until people understand how things have evolved on here since the end of 2020, and stop having a go and insulting people who aren't Max fans or have criticism for Max that doesn't insult them personally, they should shut the hell up about the Max criticism that many helped to evolve in the first place.
@ Cain and Fangio Totally agree. The negativity... @44 Idiots? And AD 2021 again, seriously? Petty On topic and to end on a positive note : i too believe Marko to be more of a straightshooter and would believe him over Horner, too.
"You can bring up AD 2021 as often as you want. " Good, remember that, the next time you question me for bringing it up. That's your answer. "If you want to look like a sore loser thats your problem." Do you think I care what you think I look like? I'm not losing anything. I wasn't racing. "And I will keep pointing out that you are petty and a sore loser, accordingly." You do that. Just don't whinge when I reply to you. "You mean the one where i caught you lying 3 times in 1 post, and you still denied it, although i literally quoted your lies?" Hehe, right. :) That's your interpretation of it. It suits you to believe that. I showed you clearly how there were no lies, but as it's not in your interest to take any notice of that, you consequently didn't. I denied it because it was BS. I don't lie. No way would I leave myself open or exposed like that for you to push it back at me. Sorry, I'm not that guy. Try that on someone else. "Or the one where you contradicted yourself two times in 1 post? You know, the one where you brought the result of the race as a fact of who had the fastest car (Miami and after), completely ignoring things like driver skills, team strategy and all other factors. " LOL, who are you trying to show off to? :) I ignored nothing. What is 'the race'? Which race? What on Earth are you talking about now? You can't judge fastest car from one race. Bring me this contradiction. Show it to all your friends and let's see. "And in the same post ignoring Perez' results because he has bad driving skills. That was not so smart, was it? " What's with you and the 'ignoring'? Not mentioning something because it's not relevant is not the same as ignoring. You've spent too much time around ignorant people on the Internet, and now your logical fallacies are being pointed out to you. I didn't mention Schumacher either, did I ignore him? I didn't mention pea soup, did I ignore that? Are you one of these delusional Max fans who think average puppet Perez is the benchmark for how the RB car performs and the difference shows how amazing Max is? :) "Still waiting on a response on that one, btw." Well, hold your breath.
You can bring up AD 2021 as often as you want. If you want to look like a sore loser thats your problem. And I will keep pointing out that you are petty and a sore loser, accordingly. "Still butthurt over the beating you got, and are still getting, over your British media rant." You mean the one where i caught you lying 3 times in 1 post, and you still denied it, although i literally quoted your lies? Or the one where you contradicted yourself two times in 1 post? You know, the one where you brought the result of the race as a fact of who had the fastest car (Miami and after), completely ignoring things like driver skills, team strategy and all other factors. And in the same post ignoring Perez' results because he has bad driving skills. That was not so smart, was it? Still waiting on a response on that one, btw.
2% (if that) of my post was about AD'21. If you can't deal with that without getting your pink frilly knickers in a twist, then it sucks to be you. Learn to man up because I'm going to mentions AD'21 until the day I stop breathing, if that is my desire. You're just agreeing to be antagonistic. And just before you were pretending to offended by something mild I said to you. Still butthurt over the beating you got, and are still getting, over your British media rant. If you read my post, for a change, you'll know why the negativity exists today and why people like you do nothing except prolong it and enable it. So keep it up.
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