FIA steward Herbert is clear: 'Verstappen acted on purpose, he intimidates'

We have 300+ post from you claiming why Lewis did nothing wrong in exactly the same situation on a different track.

No you don't. Just nonsense you've made up for a sound-bite. 300 eh?
Ok find me 50 of them. Or are we to believe you've been counting?

''race fixing'' the Mercedes lobby really really loved when it benefitted them, they started calling it all kind of names when it didn't swing their way. Or when others got better then them in influencing whatever decision. But the issue with things like this is that you can't prove it happened how it happened because of that radio call.
That's why it should have been banned the first time in''21 it became clear they could have a chat with the racing director during the race.

Were Stella or Herbert reacting to Lando saying "I drove perfectly, made no mistakes"? No they weren't.
Stella was talking about Max thinking he's ok do act how he does because he wasn't punished enough in 2021 - quite correct.
Herbert, as a steward, was saying that Max was in the wrong.

Verstappen got back on the track after the collision through luck. If could have ended his race also.
You can also make no mistakes, have some rule-breaker run into you and your race is over.

But Lando did misjudge his first lunge. Other than that, I think he was all good.

We'll see about Lando admitting mistakes. He's not like Max in this regard.
I think Lando can be more contrite.
I don't think Horners spat with Jos affected Max on track. How could it?
We are told by RB fans all the time that nothing flusters Max. He's apparently impenetrable.

So far i'm aware is the ''21 reference a other interview, but to refresh your and Stella's memory there was in fact an discussion in ''21 and before that about what should be allowed, Vettel complained about Verstappen's ''wheel banging'' for examples. Some thing where in fact no longer allowed, other things where decided to be part of racing, just because it became a little bit dull after 8yrs Mercedes driving circles followed by the rest doesn't mean it should become mickey mouse racing.
Hertbert can say as much s he wants as a steward technically he is indeed correct, but racing is more then a rule book and a ruler.
It's not about how he got back on the track, it's about how they drove back Norris raced angry and in a hurry causing more damage and his dnf Max managed it batter and thus could race with a set of new tires.

I think the fight between Verstappen and Lando was amazing, hopefully we see an repeat without dnf in Silverstone.
Yeah i hear for example Marko's(during a other race weekend) comments too that Max can isolate himself and stuff and surely partly dat must be true otherwise you can't preform like he does but still doesn't seem like the same place as last year if you look at the video's pictures etc.

More than a rule book? Well let's throw the rule book out then. Let's not bother.
Either the rules get followed or throw them out. Simple as that. You can't be making exceptions otherwise the rules have no value.
You're trying to be sentimental about the essence of motor racing, which is all nice and warm and cosy, but it's still not ok to do what Max did in Austria or 2021.

You're making assumptions about Norris and how he drove back. Norris retired the car, there was no point. He had lost all the places, incurred a penalty and damage. None of that would have happened if Max knew how to drive clean and fair. But it's not something he's prepared to do.
So I think it's ok for someone to do the same back to him. Drive dirty into Max, push him off, move under braking when he's trying to pass, if there's a crash, so be it.
Then see how the RB fans think of is as just hard racing from a driver who won't yield.
See how Max likes it done back to him. He won't and if Horner can take his hand off his hip for a moment he can fling both arms into the air as he protests another driver racing how he encourages Max to race.

The fight was amazing until Verstappen played dirty. Once again Max spoiled things.
I want a repeat in Silverstone with a DNF for Max and Norris winning. 2021 reflections (and before the idiots jump in, not I'm not saying Max should have another 51G crash. Just be out of the race, stuck in the gravel with a puncture will be enough.

I have no interest in hearing Marko or Horner's words. They talk about Max like he can't ever do a thing wrong. They fit together so well. Red Bull doesn't mind playing dirty and neither does Max. They are made for one another and this is why Max will NEVER leave Red Bull and finish his career there. Mark my words. He ain't leaving.

That a bit unfair. Why the need to always attack this driver's character with pure brutality. Geez some real Mortal Kombat stuff. Finish him... Fatality. Look I have seen people worshipping Max and banting Lewis but I have never seen such vile stuff towards Lewis compared to what you are dishing out to Max. Banter is all good but my f..k, you just take it to the next level. It truly makes one sick.

The crazy part is that Matt let him get away with this.

Your right

Best thing do is block 44 / thats what lot peopel do on hear mate

Your reasoning is spot on. I have tried to ignore him as well but he gets so insulting that you rise to the bait and respond in a similar fashion. End result he reports you and you get in trouble. I like this blog I do not wish to leave it but if I am forced off because of one guy so be it. If that happens look me up on another site. Like I said I like it here but one can only take so much. I will give in soon and use the ignore button something I never thought I would have to do.
I completely agree with your take on Lewis. Although I think his stats and ego are grossly inflated because of the turbo hybrid advantage he enjoyed I have to respect him as a great driver. At the end of the day a very young Hamilton beat a very good Alonso.

Just in case you don't read all of this Racing Bull, I'll put this here at the start....
I really respect what you've written there. It's a shame it had to get this far for so long before you admitted that, it could have saved so much animosity.
But yes, you were man enough to admit that and I'm grateful to you for saying it. Thank you.


Now...
You've spent months and months responding to me and in virtually every post, you'd slagged me off and insulted me. And now you're going to act surprised by how I react to you and those who are like you?
And now you're here admitting you went too far and against what you think of Lewis. So in other words you were just saying those things to get a rise from me or other LH fans.
Well congratulations, it worked and now you don't like the result.

Amazing to see your real thoughts. If only you'd expressed this from the start instead of attacking me as a person because you don't like my opinions of Max. Just like so many have done.

People don't have to like Max or Red Bull and it doesn't have to be hate.
Max and Red Bull are NOT immune to criticism be it harsh or soft.
Since when has any RB fan seen Lewis as off-limits for attacking?

You just have to deal with the criticism and if you think it's too much, then consider why that might be. If it's not hate, is it at all possible that all the poking and prodding and provocation from the RB side might have played a part?
But no-one wants to consider this (well apart that you did just now).

It's always the fault of the other side that I'm on isn't it?
I've had more personal insults on this forum that has been fair or deserved. I don't like Max either. Combine all of that and what comes out?

You want me to go easier on Max? Fine. No problem. I can do that.
But in return, I want something. I want people going easier on Lewis, going easier on me when I express opposing opinions or criticism of Max.
I want less glorification of Max done to provoke the other side.
And more respect all round from ALL fanbases.

Get me that we we'll all be cool. Ball firmly in your court.
I'll play ball if you lot will.


" It's just a amazing pity that some people one here get away with the type of comments that's insulting towards drivers, insulting to others people on here."

I've thought this for years with all the anti-Lewis/Merc rhetoric.
The stuff people got away with. So many went too far and got banned. Some went racist, some went way too personal.
I, however, during this, pushed back on those people and gave as good as I got and then some. The trolls did not like it.

You have insulted Lewis to me and you've insulted me many times. To be fair, I gave you just as much back.

"I was one of the first max supporter to put the accident on max."

Good on you. Did you also go as far as blaming him for moving under braking twice (one more blatant than the others). And his moving towards Lando in an intimidating fashion after the crash?

"I regret a couple of thinks I said on here regarding Lewis. At least I'm man enough to admit that. "

See, now THIS goes a long way with me. This is something I can respect. Thank you for saying that.
So you can understand how one would react to what you said and what others have said?

Maybe there are regrets on both sides. But any regrets I may or may not have won't ever come to the fore while we have posts like what I see here against me.

It was so typical to expect certain people, after Austria, like Joost and Divergent2 put total blame on Norris. This is bound to fire things up when they are so blatantly wrong to do so.
Others followed in slagging off Norris without daring to say anything against Max.

Consider this...
Max does what he did in Austria...
RB fans here, recognise Max was wrong and express that and their disappointment to see his 2021 behaviour return.

Now if I see RB fans actively admitting fault from Max instead of blaming the other guy and praising Max for 'hard racing where he did nothing wrong', then I'm far less likely to be so reactive myself.

I'm going to react and challenge those blind fans who blame Norris only and praise Max for what he did.
But if RB fans show some actual damn contrition for a change and accept when he does wrong, that changes the entire landscape for me. I would be far less reactive and respect those who can be more objective.
Just like when Lewis crashed into Alonso in Spa around the outside. Go find that article. I blamed Lewis immediately.

But I'm less likely to do these things when I don't see the same from the other side.

I decided not to respond to him anymore.
Some of my comments is a bit against what I think of Lewis.
I consider Lewis in my top 5 of all time. I even personal think max is not yet up there with Lewis in his prime. It's just a amazing pity that some people one here get away with the type of comments that's insulting towards drivers, insulting to others people on here.
I was one of the first max supporter to put the accident on max.
I regret a couple of thinks I said on here regarding Lewis. At least I'm man enough to admit that.

You only face consequences if you can't control what you post.
Say, if you get personal like you are now.

You falsely claim it's hatred. That doesn't help.
You collectively slag me off constantly, that doesn't help.
You prefer to respond by making your posts about me instead of addressing anything I've said. That doesn't help.
You take stabs at Lewis to provoke me. That doesn't help.
You never blame Max for something you know he is at fault for. That doesn't help and that would go a long way if you did that.

(btw the 'you' isn't you personally, it's referring to some of you here).

None of you have done anything to help heal things on here. It's always going to be a Max vs the world mentality here.
And in that mentality we have Lewis getting slagged off for years, Mercedes too. It still happens and Lewis hasn't been a challenger for 2 years.

So now, you Max fans are finally getting back some of what you dished out and you don't like it.
As much as we have to sit here and listen to you lot glorify Max as if he's the best human to have ever existed, you have to sit there whilst others who don't have that mindset, say what we don't like about him.
And calling it hate isn't helping things. By saying it's hate you are saying that every criticism against Max is never justified. It's only said because of hate and therefore isn't fair or real.
It's ridiculous.

Stop your pathetic , constant Max glorification and gloating to provoke others. Consider what you write a bit more.
Then you wouldn't put people's backs up so much to the point that when Max does something like Austria, people push back harder than they would otherwise after listening to all the glory of Max comments.

As much as you can sit there an praise Max to the skies, I can criticise him to the depths. And its not as if I'm making things up either. I have valid reasons for my criticisms.
But again, we have those who refuse to accept any fault from Max and just blame Norris or Lewis. How do you think that helps?

Nothing I said in my post was that bad. Tell me what's not true and what you object to. Not one of you has had the balls to do that.
You prefer the easy way of just slagging me off then you wonder why I hit so hard on Max because I know that's your sensitive area.

Matt is generally very fair but if you try to respond to this individual and the venom he writes you do face consequences and its always the same guy basically telling you you are wrong and stupid.
I do not think he will be satisfied until Max is racing with the number 666 on his car such is his hatred.

Get away with what? Expressing my opinions? That's what this blog is about. You do it all the time.

The problem isn't so much my words. The problem is you don't like what I have to say. You know what I'm saying is true and that kills you. Truth does that.
It's no surprise to me that you have to response to what I said.

Do you think Max drove clean and fair in Austria? Did he do so in 2021? Show me how honest you can be.

And would you like it if Max was on the receiving end of all of that instead of Lewis or Norris?

That's all I've said.

That you lot get emotional and cry about my opinions because you don't like to hear it, is not something Matt needs to concern himself with.

I'm sure you all think I should just deal with all the years of anti-Lewis rhetoric on here. You lot ramp this up yourselves. You're always being anti-Lewis or anti-me on here. Fine, your choice.
But then don't start crying when the person you've spent to much time slagging off, has a really good go at your driver for legitimate reasons.

Maybe Max can lend you some of his thick skin.

It is quite sad isn't it.

No it's not sad. It's reality. A reality you want to turn a blind eye to.
The total failure from certain people here to ever admit fault from Max is stunning. And when others push back and double down on what is wrong with Max and present a situation where the Max fans would not accept Max's driving style if it wasn't Max doing it, then suddenly you don't like it.
Well that's too bad.

Perhaps if you'd all learned some respect in the first place, over the years, for drivers who challenge Max and those who support those drivers, we wouldn't be here now.

Are you trying for an Oscar for best Drama with that post? And you think I overreacted. :)

How is it unfair? Because it's a hard truth that you don't like?
It's is 100% true that Max fans would not like another driver, driving like Max does against Max. They would be insulting him all day long.

How can you even think to ask me why there is a need to attack Max's character. The answer to that should be obvious.
He doesn't find any fault with what he did. His fans defend him like he's the innocent angel who just drives hard and is never affected by anyone's criticism.
Yet you don't see why that is.

Max suffered abuse at the hands of his father and was treated harshly by him if he showed weakness or lost races.
This upbringing is the reason why Max is the way he is. Jos bred a tough racer, but NOT one without faults.
Max does not play fair and you know it. He WILL break the rules of driving to protect his place and no, that is NOT ok.
But again this is the mentality Jos instilled him with.

My issue here is not just Max getting away with breaking the rules and driving unsporting and dirty, but his unrelenting and defensive fans upholding his behaviour as if it's not only acceptable but something that should be praised.
But I remind you again, that if this driving was exhibited by anyone else, the Max fans would be the first to spit venom.
Lewis was uncompromising at Silverstone 2021.
How did the Max fans respond to that? With venom. Saying Lewis had attempted to murder Max.
Put Max in Lewis' place. They would have praised Max for not backing down and called it hard racing.

Tell me I'm wrong!

I have said nothing vile at all. That's just drama from you.
What have I said that isn't true?
Oh and if you want vile stuff, from Max fans, let me know and I'll show you some examples that are way worse than anything I've said about Max in my entire life.

My post is fine. It's strongly opinionated but it's fine. If you have a problem with the words, argue against what I've said.
You don't get to make this a rant about me as a person. This isn't your diary, it's an F1 blog. Stick to the topic.

If you disagree, say why. Don't just be shocked then cry about it to me.
I'm done with the pro Max people who can't see fault in what Max did in Austria and in 2021.
Those who can, I have time for.

get me on darkenergy57@protonmail.com
It's my throwaway email address that I use for this that and the other.

Well done on reading the comment, I appreciate that at least.

Damn, I actually read the whole comment. Tbh, I am not one that can right such long comments, but I can chat for hours. What is your whats app number or send me your email address. We can exchange numbers via email.

Ok so basically, you think I should be just like you. Is that it?
You say you do not let it get to you but my post clearly did.

I too think they can say anything. But so can I. If they say something that is demonstrably wrong, I am allowed to challenge that and tell them they are wrong.
If I have an opinion that isn't the popular one in the crowd, I am equally allowed to express it.
After all the flak I've have had on here (which is something I expect, I'm not naive), all the anti-Lewis rhetoric I've read since 2021, all the trolling, all the provocation, it's going to get to a point wher my opinions will be affected to the point, they will be more vociferous, stronger and sometimes more scathing.
It's a natural outcome of all what's come before.

I fully believe if RB fans (not the trolls), had challenged the RB trolls through 2021, it would have done so much to quell how bad that season passed by on this blog.
If RB trolls here from their own side that they were wrong to troll or say what they said, it would have been way, way more effective than anything I ever retaliated with.
The sad truth is that no-one ever did. All these people who now claim to be good old RB fans sat their and watched it happen.

Why can't it be that if I say something and I'm right about it (it does happen), that if I'm attacked by a RB fan/troll for it, that someone else from the RB who knows I'm right, comes to my defence. How nice it would be to see that happen.
A person who is more concerned with truth than opinion.
The truth should always matter.
But instead the attacker just accumulate likes for attacking me.
It's what people want to see. I seem to be the focal point here and I'm fine with that. It's understandable to a point that many Max fans have bad feelings towards me, why wouldn't they?

But, I reiterate, if you have a problem with something I say, then attack what I have said. Don't make it personal. In all of my replies to you, I did not attack you personally once.
And if I did so inadvertently, then it was accidental.

For me, I don't care who someone is, I just care about what they post. And the post is what I go for, then add on some of my own thoughts.

All this crap about me being in a rage and hating and getting aroused. It's all playground white noise.

As for no hard feelings, well I''m sure you already think I'm a hard nosed SOB, but after your initial post and one you made below, it's not easy for me to have no hard feelings from what you said.
It was totally uncalled for and prompted others to jump on the 'lets target and attack 44-7xLegend because he's not a Max supporter' bus again. I don't need this crap, I'm entitled to my opinions, as strong as they may be.
However, I don't think there's a grudge here from me, so give it a little time.

I'm done with going easy on people who have no desire for proper debate or civil conversation. We tried that and the RB side let things down after the 2nd race weekend.
I'm done with people who just wanna hate on me for my opinions.

If people don't like what I said about Max, then counter my arguments. Don't make it personal because you can be damned sure you won't like it if I make it personal. (You being the general 'you')

I have been on this blog since 2020 or 21 I think. Made comments once a blue moon. The thing that gets me is that yes there are Max trolls. But I do not let it get to me. They can say anything about Lewis and I will be like 103 Mate. 7 x mate. So maybe I struggle to understand why they get under your skin, because it doesn't bug me if they Glorify Max. Man, I was the same when Lewis won everything. I glorified him and People got pi44sed of with me and always said. Dude remember... what goes around comes around. Well now I am the one eating some humble Pie. Lots of my friends are Ferrari, RB and McLaren fans. We watch the races always at a pub and give each other stick but I never feel the urge to Call out any driver if they win. They can troll me, but there was I time when I trolled them. I just think that its such a waste of energy and time to fight them. Stick with... Lewis is better. Lewis would have kicked his A$$ etc. If they want to troll so be it. 103 is a long way to go. 7 X maybe even longer. No hard feelings dude. I just don't like it when everyone is always so aggressive towards each other. I will try to be the better man instead.

PS proof to me there is no after life. Not sure if someone ever died and then came back to life 7 days later claiming there is no after life. (Just a joke though. U believe u and I believe me.

It's not a challenge. Look at what you post. Are you expecting civility from me? Is anyone?
I've made it clear from day one, that if you're civil to me, I will be civil in return. People just don't seem capable of doing that, particularly if someone has an opposing opinion to them. They don't handle it well.

If you want to turn this into a personal battleground where you rebel against me, that's on a you. It's not going to help matters so you're simply stoking the fire.

My original post was NOT aggressive towards anyone on this blog. It was directed at Max. It's been you and the others who have been aggressive in your responses.
None of you responded to the content of my post. You all chose to slag me off instead because I have you don't care for. Well boo hoo!
Grow up.
And thanks for the ammo, which you want to give me so I can say something against your unfounded beliefs. Stick to F1 mate.

As you believe in such things, you're no angel. You've made provocative posts on this blog too. Don't deny it.
You've all dished it out in the past and the moment you have someone like me who can fight back and disturb the little Max club of glory, you don't like it.

Lastly, if you can recognise all the problems I've had from RB fans, then why can't you have some level of understanding and put yourself in my shoes from 2021 on this blog. Were you even here then?
F1 isn't about 1 driver. And this blog isn't about 1 person.
So stop making out like it is.

I wanted to comment about all the problems you are having from RB fans but then I got to this below and thought to myself. Nah f..k it

I'll respond to the rest of your post on my return because I'm going to really put you in your place after the out of context crap you just wrote! You need to calm down and stop posting emotional. Enjoy the likes you'll get for slagging me off. (edited)

Challenge excepted. You still wanna play this aggressive towards everyone game? Oh and here is some more ammo for you. I am a reborn Christian. I do believe in the Holy Trio and after life. Can not wait to hear from you. Just do not have an emotional break down if I call you out.

"Sorry dude but you are over aggressive."

Oh I wonder why? Hmmm.. Have you ever stopped to ask? Did you get any answers? What on Earth could prompt me to be 'aggressive'?

All the years of anti-Lewis/Mercedes abuse from RB fans? Nah
All the years of personal stabs and insults towards me from RB fans? Nah.
All the years of gloating about Max towards LH fans for provocative reasons? Nah
All the years of RB fans never admitting Max can do anything wrong even? Nah.
All the posts now that attack me and get personal and insulting with me instead of attacking the content of my post and my opinions? Nah.
All the glorification of Max article to feed the ever hungry RB fans so they can taunt some more? Nah.
All the Lewis is washed up and should retire and 'when did Lewis has win' jibes? Nah.

Gee, I wonder what would make me so aggressive. I mean those lovely, civil, respectful RB fans just don't deserve that do that? Nope.
They respect what Lewis has achieved right? Sure they do.
They can handle criticism of Max if it's warranted right? Of course.
They are capable of having meaningful discussion as opposed to a one-line or one paragraph tirade of trolling, right? Naturally.

Yeah, all my fault right? Just me again. Oh dear, what a bad person I am.
I should accept Max as the rightfully earned 2021 champion shouldn't I.
I should accept that Max was just driving hard like he did in Austria 2024.
I should accept Horner's appraisal of all those incidents.
I should accept RB fans opinions and stabs at Lewis.
And all those personal insults coming my way... oh fully deserved. I must be a really hateful, hateful person.

Yes I should really love the RB fans, they are all great people.
I should not be more vociferous in my opinions because I think they are unrelenting in how they behave. That's simply not true is it?

No ok. My bad. It's all my fault. I have opinions that RB fans don't like and I'm sorry.

I'll respond to the rest of your post on my return because I'm going to really put you in your place after the out of context crap you just wrote! You need to calm down and stop posting emotional. Enjoy the likes you'll get for slagging me off.

Ok let's get stuck into this....

"Why do you feel the need to protect every driver against 1 driver."

For the same reason others feel the need to protect 1 driver against every driver.
In what way am I protecting anyone? I am simply stating the truth about what Max did. If you refuse or can't accept that truth, which is borne out on the video footage, then that's on you and anyone else. Go ask the Max fans why they think he's not guilty... ever.

"I am sure they do not need you for protection. Are you there doctor."

Now you're being immature. It's taking something for me to not constantly correct your numerous English errors, but I won't.
Does Max need all his fans for his protection?
Before you start asking questions, try turning it around and asking it from the other side and see how you would feel if I asked the same question for Max or his fans.

I will oppose Max when he is wrong, get used to it. If you don't like what I write, then debate me, argue the points with me instead of going off on some emotional rant in place of having any answers or argument about the subject at hand.
You complain about how over aggressive you think I was in my post about Max and now you're inviting it with your 'challenge accepted' and threat of 'next time you're gonna get it real bad'.
Well bring it on! I live for this, and I'm very good at it.
I would suggest you take a day to calm down first before you say something you wish you hadn't. You're clearly very upset and angry and you'll end up being a reflection of everything you're complaining about.

"Telling me that I am looking for an Oscar and stuff. Wtf are you on about telling me about an Oscar. What I clearly see is your tantrums and your rage."

The Oscar for best drama. You were being very over-dramatic in your reaction to my post. A reaction driven by emotion because maybe you saw the raw truth of what I posted, which wasn't really that bad in hte first place. Unlike you, I don't post when angry and I am rarely emotional when posting. I don't allow that to creep into my posts because it doesn't help me.
I am calm now as I was when I wrote that initial truthful post.
If you want to fantasise that I'm raging or having a tantrum, then go right ahead if it makes you feel better. As for me, I'm just fine.
Do you really sense rage here? You need to be more honest.

"The other day you played a race card. Then you tell Mavric he is uneducated."

Now you're twisting things for your own means. Bring up my posts where I said these things and the post I was replying to. Let's have some context on this.
The way you have phrased that is wholly inaccurate and out of context. You have weaponised words and twisted them to suit your agenda. How very typical.
Mentioning that fans on social media have used the 'n' word towards Lewis is NOT playing the race card.
Bring me the Mavric post. What he said and my reply...

"You are just all over the place with your rage and so aggressive towards everyone that thinks that Max is the best."

Yet again we have this 'your reality vs actual reality' scenario.
You make incorrect assumptions that I have a rage and that I'm so aggressive against 'everyone'. As I said, I don't rage. I don't allow people on here to get me anywhere near that level.
The thing that allows me to remain calm, write clearly (I hope) and yet be strongly opinionated is that I can control my emotions whilst under fire from people I don't know or care about.
I know you want to think I'm losing my sh**, because that would make you feel better, but the truth is very different.
I've posted angry here maybe twice since joining.

I don't care one bit if people think Max is the best. Let them think that. He is doing all the winning after all so why wouldn't they believe that?
I don't care what they think, it's what they chose to post here that I react to. Unlike you, I respond to their content, to their posts.
I don't generally do character assassinations like you lot have done. I take your points and react to those. You might not like what I have to say, but at least I'm on topic.
Not once have I ever responded to you and made it personal.

Have you ever stopped to think. Put yourself in my shoes just for a little while. Pretend you're not a Max fan and then see how you are treated here if you dare post anything critical.
2021 was a cess pit of venom and poison all coming from the RB side. I was almost the only one retaliating against the trolls.
None of the supposedly non trolling RB fans said a damn thing.
And for pushing back, I took crap from trolls from Feb 2021 to now.

People don't like me because I'm not a Max fan and I make my feelings about Max known in a very firm way. And so I get hate from those telling me I'm hating. Ironic isn't it?

"Max cant drive, Max is dirty. Max father was brutal, Max cheats, Max this and Max that. Oh and the AD21 stuff is so out dated."

I never said Max can't drive. See again, you have to lie to make your arguments. Why is this? Don't you have enough truth to use?
I said Max cannot race hard AND fair. I have often referred to Max as a good driver and praised his consistency as one of his main strengths. But to help you out, let's forget I ever complimented Max.
Max is dirty when he has to be, not all the time. When there are no cars around him or no-one to challenged him, then he's clean.
I didn't say Max's father was brutal. If you're going to replay something I've said, get the words right.
Breaking the rules in any game or sport is cheating.
Max broke the rules in Austria and did it many times in 2021 where he was unpunished, leaving him to believe it was ok to do these things just for the spectacle. Once again he went unpunished and so will repeat his behaviour again.
How much of 'Lewis this, Lewis that' have we had to endure? Years of it! You seem to think this is all one-sided and you have nothing to say about the sins of the RB fans.
As for AD'21, I don't care if you think it's outdated. It's a perfect reference point to underscore the low nature of Red Bull as a team and 2021 underscored Max and how low he would go as a driver - something that has now resurfaced. AD'21 isn't going away and now, neither will Austria'24. Why? Because the anti-Lewis crap isn't going away.

Just want to say at this point, that even if you read all of this, I will bet anything that you will not address a single point in this post, just like your haven't done for any post I've written on this article.

"Instead they are watching it to see Max's failures, and then gets completely aroused if he makes a mistake. You are one of them. "

Due to your clear anger, I'm going to assume that you mean se*ually aroused. Are you watching men doing this or just thinking about it? Why have you made this assumption?
Yes I want to see Red Bull and Max fail. So what? What's wrong with that? I don't like Red Bull or Max. It's not as if I want to see them succeed.
Show me an RB fan who wants another driver or team to win over their team/driver.
And I'll bet when you see others having a go at me, you love it. You can't get enough of it. So it's ok for you really isn't it?

If you ever hope to win a tit-for-tat argument with me, I would suggest you lose the emotion first, or you're going to get mauled.
Take that as friendly advise. Getting emotional and personal is not going to help you.

"You try convincing me that what you do is ok compare to others? No dude... you take it to whole new level. Disgusting."

Whats disgusting? You're way too sensitive I think.
I don't need to convince you of anything. Your opinion doesn't mean much to me. I owe you no explanations.
What new level? Just because you got triggered by a post I wrote, perhaps because you see the stark truth in it for once and don't like it, don't blame me for bringing you a truth you didn't want to hear.

"Please just try and be a humble Lewis supporter. And get this tit for tat out of your mind."

A humble Lewis supporter? Is that to fall in line with all the humble Max supporters who are always civil, always respectful of other drivers, especially Lewis. Love the friendly F1 community here and don't seem to be acting together as a club against an individual.
If I was humble on here, I'd be the only one!

As for getting tit for tat out of my mind, you and then others started this with your reply to my post. You made it personal instead of attacking my post itself. On a larger scale, it's always been tit for tat here. Max fans vs everyone else. You can be a humble Lewis fan, a Ferrari fan or a Williams fan. But the moment you say anything against Max you WILL be attacked. That's the environment we have here.
A blog full of people who approve more of anti-Lewis posts, posts that attack me (those get the most likes, because people love to hate on me due to me being strongly opinionated against their driver/team :) ), than actual well-thought-out and decent posts on F1.
Also, on this, you want me to get tit for tat out of my mind when you say things like "Next time you gonna get it real bad. GTFU please.", "Can not wait to hear from you. Just do not have an emotional break down if I call you out."

The thing is I won't have an emotional breakdown, but you might if you keep on going like this. Post emotional and you will lose out here. Trust me.

I would advise you to get back to F1 and stop making this your personal battleground. If you want to have a go at me I'll give you an email address and we can do it off the blog. That invitation is open to anyone who has a problem with me as a person.

Respond to my comments with an counter argument. Stay on the topic of F1. Stop making it personal. It won't end well.

Sorry dude but you are over aggressive. Why do you feel the need to protect every driver against 1 driver. I am sure they do not need you for protection. Are you there doctor. Telling me that I am looking for an Oscar and stuff. Wtf are you on about telling me about an Oscar. What I clearly see is your tantrums and your rage. The other day you played a race card. Then you tell Mavric he is uneducated. You are just all over the place with your rage and so aggressive towards everyone that thinks that Max is the best. But hey buddy. Max fans are entitled to think Max is the best ever, just as you thinking Lewis is the best ever. You sound like a broken recorder. Max cant drive, Max is dirty. Max father was brutal, Max cheats, Max this and Max that. Oh and the AD21 stuff is so out dated. Damn man it took me about 3 weeks to get over it. But I have heard that there is a lot of Lewis fans that that still is far from over it and that's the reason why they will chastise Max every day. They do not watch F1 because of their favorite driver. Instead they are watching it to see Max's failures, and then gets completely aroused if he makes a mistake. You are one of them. Come on seriously. You try convincing me that what you do is ok compare to others? No dude... you take it to whole new level. Disgusting. Please just try and be a humble Lewis supporter. And get this tit for tat out of your mind. My children does that. Someone says something you do not like and you go I owe you one. Next time you gonna get it real bad. GTFU please.

I think you broke the record for the amount of written text in replicas on this comment.?

"True F1 fans do not want to see a self entitled arrogant driver who is in denial and can't recognise his own mistakes, with a team that tell him he's never wrong, driving in an unsporting and dirty way because he can't win fairly."

We are not talking about Silverstone 2021 here .
Or spygate
Tyre Gate
Flex wing
To low ride hight.
The list goes on and on but I'll leave it at that.
Alonso's words echo strong

I don't think I could have yawned wider.

Mavric, not sure what your mean?

and what about lap 59 and 63?

What about it? It's your story, you tell it.

Well, let's see how this season progresses. I expect Norris to be challenging Max more often and the Ferrari’s might be up there at some point.

The standard for racing have been set , so Norris,Lec, Sainz and the rest will be matching Max . You're right ✅ in that not all fans will be happy when that does happen.

Let's see how the seaso. Progresses, i have a feeling we will reference this incident and the reactions at some point 44.

Ferrari need to get their act together and join the party. So do Mercedes.
If Max has 3 teams on his back, he won't know which car to hit first.

I odn't think the other drivers should copy Max's unsporting driving just because Max gets away with it. They won't get away with it.
Max and Red Bull will whinge and then the penalties will come.

I'll be referencing Austria 2024 for a long time, I'm sure. And the more Max continues to drive in an unclean, rule-breaking fashion, the more I'll have to push back with. 2021 for me has always been plenty, but now Max is helping me by pouring more on.
And yet again we see his fans turning a blind eye and accepting behaviour from Max that they would not ever accept from any other driver, especially if Max is in the Norris position.

I hope we see more of his during the season.
Max being exposed as a weak and insecure driver when challenged, the he has to resort to unruly tactics.

I think if Max tries any of that again, his punishment will hopefully be a lot harsher. So he'd better hope his car is well out in front so it doesn't come to that.

Excellent comment.

I agree that Ferrari needs to get their act together. Having Ferrari, McLaren, and Mercedes challenging Red Bull would be amazing to watch.

I disagree with your point that drivers should not match Max.

For these reasons:
The stewards have backed Max and will continue to. I personally trust the stewards to make the decisions, although I may not agree with them. I accept that they are part of the sport and dictate how F1 goes racing.

In light of my first point, if you want to beat Max, you have to match Max. Unfortunately, if drivers don't, they will not get past him.

As an F1 fan and a Lewis fan, although 2021 ended not as I would have liked, I enjoyed the racing. The epic wheel-to-wheel racing was simply brilliant. So let's get back to that. I am sure you won't begrudge any F1 fan wanting that.

You say Max drives unsportingly; I disagree here as well. Max drives the way he knows. If there are rules broken, then I trust the stewards to intervene.

For me, Senna, Schumacher, Lewis, and Prost have driven harder and more aggressively than Max. They don't give an inch and go for every gap. That's the racing they have given us, so I don't see Max as being unsportsmanlike in any way.

Don't get me wrong; I may not like the outcomes and results because I am a Lewis fan and 2021 was difficult to accept. But I won't place a label on Max that some would say could easily be applied to Lewis. I have seen Lewis do some really hard and aggressive moves in his career.

Insecure and weak? Really? Max is anything but that. I am not Max's greatest fan, but he certainly is not weak and insecure. Again, I may not like the outcomes when Max races, but I can appreciate that he will not give an inch. Does he lose his cool when he is under pressure? Which driver hasn't? I have heard Lewis, Leclerc, Vettel, and others do the same.

None of these drivers are weak and insecure.

To end, I trust that the stewards dictate how F1 goes racing. There are driver briefings and updates before every race so every driver knows what they can and can't do. At the moment, Max is the standard. So if drivers don't race at that standard, they must settle for second.

I say all of this as an F1 fan and a die-hard Lewis fan.

I don't expect you to agree with anything I have posted, but I hope you understand that, as you said, we have different drivers with different driving styles. There are also different F1 fans out there, and not everyone will be in alignment with the views and opinions.

Here I support that all other drivers match Max with the same style and aggressive driving. The standard for racing and fighting Max should have been set long ago. I personally have no problem with Max's aggressive driving style and I like that all drivers are like that because it would make the races much more attractive.
In this case, if the situation had been reversed, Max would certainly have moved away and there would have been no contact, and we have seen it many times in the past in that corner, where the violation and pushing off the track was much greater, but there was no contact and that is why it was not was under increase.

I agree with all that you said up until "Max would certainly have moved away and there would have been no contact"

I dont agree , for Max never backs out or avoids contact. I remember Brazil ?? 2022, and Monza 2021,both avoidable. I am sure there's many more .

When you have drivers that are aggressive races, they never back out and thats brilliant.

Like i said the rest of you post was great, didn't agree with the last part .

If it was not within the rules, then why didn't the penalize him earlier. And Lando wasn't able to race within the rules either, as he was already penalized.

Face it, you're not capable of a fair assestment of Max. When it involves max, you will always find a way to blame him of unfair driving.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I just see it differently. I see it as win at all costs. That is what I tried to say with my comment above. Win at all costs, and I see nothing wrong with that. A driver will get disqualified just like Schumacher did when it gets to much. Just be mindful to not over step that boundary as a driver.

Lidude, your comment is a bit contradictory me old mate,
'Win at all costs, and I see nothing wrong with that.'
then....
'A driver will get disqualified just like Schumacher did when it gets to much. Just be mindful to not over step that boundary as a driver.'

I do not believe that I am contradicting my self. Win at all cost but do not get disqualified for it. What is so contradicting about that? Play the grey areas and do not cross a boundary.

Win at all costs? Anything goes then? Rule-breaking, forcing someone off track, deliberately hitting a rival or taking them out of the race. All good?

It can just be fine or DQ and nothing in between.
You can't have a 'win at all costs' and boundaries.
Cos then it's not win at all costs any more.
It's just a buzz-phrase people like to use and mainly describes people who will want to win no matter what they have to do.
But while you have rules, penalties, DQ's and consequences in a sport where you might injure others, then that ideal is a moot point.

The boundary is the rules, that's why they are there. Anything within the rules, fair game.

Maybe you noticed from AD'21, but I'm a stickler for sticking to the the rules.

Cool. I just see it as no fair play, but not enough to get me a DQ. 10 second penalty will suffice.

To me they were all the same. Just not quite the same if you catch my drift.

You know nothing about any of those drivers if you actually think that. What absolute BS.

Schumacher is the biggest cheat in the history of F1, nothing Senna did ever came close to the blatant cheating of Schumacher.

Even with the biggest thing Senna did wrong, taking Prost out in revenge, he just kept his line, as opposed to Schumacher who TWICE deliberately steered into drivers trying to end their races.

Did Senna ever do something bad enough to get disqualified from a season, like that cheat Schumacher? Did he ever deliberately park his car in the middle of the track to prevent his rival from setting a qualifying lap?

And that's not even mentioning some of his other dirty moves, which were also worse than anything Senna ever did.

He already has on occasion

Absolutely not. That's exactly why I love him.

Lando wants a fight and max will take him there and lando will know not to mess .

Yes, but Lando is still young and inexperienced, especially now that he's suddenly become Max's main competitor. It's obvious that he's desperate to beat Max, so things like this (brutal racing) are clearly affecting him. You don't need to blame him, he will learn.

Well on sunday lando sound like a wet blanket he dish things out like in spain at start of race .then he trycblame max for make him self go off track .lando going find out hard way that pay back a bitch

I would like him to mess around, but not to cry afterwards: I was fair to him and drove fairly, but he was not to me. Remember that to him, and return it to him in the same measure ( if you know and can).

Alright! I may have misunderstood! ??‍??

There is if you can't drive within the rules and you cause crashes, drive into other drivers, move in the braking zones, defend your line more than once and then try to move over onto your rival when your car is damaged.

I understand the loyal fan in you means you are totally on the defensive and deflect facts back away from you. But your credibility and ability to be reasonable in this are virtually non-existent.