Mercedes present Hamilton and Russell's W15 for 2024 F1 season

Lotus, Minardi and even McLaren had black cars way before you started watching F1, which probably happened during 2020 season given your lack of basic F1 knowledge.

Your reply shows that you are totally unable to reply in a civil way and must troll. I think that says it all.

In reply to your post, I am well aware that cars have been black in the past. But it should be clear to anyone with an ounce of common sense that I was referring only to the other cars on the grid today when I said 'the others'.

Your claim that I have a basic lack of F1 knowledge has no foundation as I have demonstrated that this is not the case on numerous occasions. You don't know me enough to judge what I know, troll.

You mean 'your' type of toxic interactions. You've already tainted this article which was fine until you came along.
If you were this great F1 fan then why do you spend so much time trolling and then complain because you think I do it.
I'm pushing back at your trolling, in kind.
You made the choice with me not to be civil but to be an insulting troll. So don't cry because you get the same thrown back at you.

You cannot be clear that I did not watch the car launch. But after such a car launch, I will have my own opinions and not feel the need to use other people's as if they were your own.
You likely wouldn't have noticed if a YouTuber hadn't mentioned it.
If you don't want toxic interactions, don't instigate them. It's an easy formula.
I hope you stick to your word because if you keep on the way you're going, I think you will be banned way before I am.

You see what is the difference between me, an F1 fan and you an F1 troll : the fact that me as Max fan I bothered to watch the Mercedes live car launch and the interviews with Wolff, Russell and Hamilton while you clearly did not . And everyone who watched it, including well known youtubers and Merc fans noticed the dynamics between those 3 at the launch.

You're just a troll mate living on this site, feeding himself from this type of toxic interactions, very pathetic honestly. I just hope I get banned asap cause I wont make another account to interact with this type of virtual cockroaches.

How have I ever played the victim role? :) I have never felt the victim here. I don't care what trolls think about me.
I will report posts that have personal insults. I have no influence as to whether they get banned or not.
I have a passion for F1 and have done for a very long time.
I don't have a role here as such. Ideally I'd just like to discuss F1, but if trolls stand in the way of that, expect me to push back.

Let's be honest, you don't really know what my knowledge is on F1. Deflections and manipulations don't count as knowledge so why are you equating them?
My Benny Hill remark was apt given your silly comment.
Whilst others talk about the livery, you needed something to say against the team so you went with how you perceived their body language. Just complete inane drivel.
The Benny Hill remark is not pertinent to my many friends. Just you, and as it happens, it seems to fit you very well.

They were but it wasn't paint. It was just carbon fibre.
But when you asked 'what was the first', it was unclear whether you were referring to the 2024 cars or the first black F1 car in history - which is an interesting piece of trivia.

Hmmm I'm confused... Didn't Stake F1 reveal a black car first?

Irrelevant, as the discussion is about the cars on this seasons grid.
If you want your question answered, there is this search engine called Google.
If you type 'Google' into your browsers URL box, it will come up. You can ask it things.

So what was the first F1 car that was painted in black #000000?

Your only knowledge is about excuses and deflections, manipulating and playing the victim role while reporting Red Bull fans and trying to get them banned. This your "role" on this site, it's not the passion for the sport. Keep your "Benny Hill" remarks for your friends, if you have any.

Can't wait to see them on tv. I like them all.

Yes, not a bad one amongst them. Carbon-fest mainly. :)

Yep

Haha, okay, just checking

You did indeed call it.
Hehe! Do you have all of their phone numbers too? :) Lovely.

Ha... I only have Jimbos number, sorry I meant James Allison...... : )

Just seen the Lewis video of the shakedown test..... The car livery looks pretty sweet on the track!..

Yeah it is real nice! Can't wait for testing in Bahrain.

And for some reason, McLaren took my 'arrow on the nose' idea and did it, they stole my Merc idea.

Your hero's vote of confidence says it all. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. OR it's fast but there's just more $$$ with the prancing horse. hmm... makes you wonder doesn't it? haha.

OK so I'm taking your reply as being a 'No' that you haven't driven the W15.

Lewis has only used the simulator. The car has not been driven in anger, so its performance, particularly against its competition is unknown at this time.

Lucky for you then it doesn't take a genius. :) A shame your reasoning isn't very sound.

There is more $$$ with Ferrari no matter how fast or slow the Merc is.
I think Lewis leaving was more to do with the contract he was offered as opposed to the car.
So you might not need to be a genius, but you seemingly still need to be a bit more rational than your comment suggests.
I have no heroes in F1. I'll leave such frivolities to the young one's.

3 replies in a row? You can edit your posts and just add it on you know. :)

Merc was better in 2023 (well Lewis was, Russell wasn't).
In 2025, things might be different.
If you want to think it's only about money, then you go off and do that. Doesn't affect me in the slightest.

My assertion is that Hamilton has thought about being a Ferrari driver for many years. I'm not insisting that it was a dream or not like you are.
Merely that it is something he's thought about and perhaps ending his career doing. This was way before any money was offered for the actual chance to do it.
He expressed and interest to driver for them years before it was offered.

2013 - https://f1grandprix.motorionline.com/en/Hamilton-I-would-love-to-drive-the-Ferrari-one-day/

2015 - https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-what-i-d-like-do-one-day-drive-ferrari-when-lewis-hamilton-expressed-interest-joining-italian-team

2019 - https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/44957/lewis-hamilton-driving-for-ferrari-could-potentially-be-an-option-.html

2023 - https://thejudge13.com/2023/05/15/hamilton-have-thought-about-ferrari-switch/

All you are doing is just speculating, based on nothing much.
Claiming that it's all about money just because there is a lot of money involved. I don't agree with you that it's just the money.
You claim that you even know what Toto is thinking. The fact is Toto was willing to give Hamilton the contract he wanted.
Do more research, then you can be more confident to use capital lettered words.

JEEZ. Read the article. It was his childhood dream then he says it's not his dream in 2009? Is he playing games or something? Or he just knows Ferrari was not competitive at that time or Alonso got into Ferrari first when Ferrari got competitive-ish?

It's not his dream, mate. It's obvious or else he would've jumped to Ferrari in 2023, when Sainz's contract was up. He just saw something in Ferrari. Maybe Ferrari's a bit better than Merc but I doubt it. If it's not performance, it is just the money. That's why he's pissed at Toto for only giving him a 1+1 - only a 1 year initially.

He might be the most famous F1 driver due to obvious reasons, but he's asking for iconic status identical to Ronaldo, Messi, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Federer, Djokovic, Phelps, Woods, and Ali, among others. It just so happens that the very thing that he's fighting for, wokeness and BLM, is continuing to die down. Toto, as astute as he is, is seeing this trend. WHY THE HELL would I invest in this guy with a lifetime deal?? It's not just business-savvy, mate.

Ferrari's just a saving grace for Lewis. The brand's big enough that he can make BIG BUCKS in the last 2-3 years of his career.

All about money mate. That's it.

After you said 'and it's not his dream'

I was referring to when Alonso said that it was not Lewis' childhood dream too. Remember that, sis?

Your comment was trying to capitalise on Alonso's words.

Since 2009 Lewis has stated numerous times that he has wanted to drive for Ferrari. 2019 was one of those times.

LOL! That article's from 2009. And Lewis said it. Better read the article bruv.

LOL. Because Alonso says it? Hehe. Gold.

A 2019 has surfaced since then with Hamilton talking of his dream of driving for Ferrari. I think the words from Lewis himself is a little more accurate than whatever his sour ex team-mate thinks.

Before he announced his Ferrari switch, what actions are you referring to?
If he doesn't say it and you just assume it, then it's no more complicated than you just making assumptions to suit your narrative.

Mate... He doesn't have to mention that he's losing confidence. His actions do that for him smh... JEEEZ is it this complicated?

And it's not his dream...

https://us.motorsport.[space]com/f1/news/hamilton-does-not-dream-of-ferrari-switch/2372041/

If it's not his dream, Merc being better than Ferrari as a team, then what is it? EFFIN MONEY BABY.

"If they didn't correlate correctly, then Lewis would still know in the sim."

How do you get to that conclusion? How would be know until he's actually driven the car so he has something real to compare it to?

Lewis has not mentioned about losing confidence so I don't know where you're getting that from. It's a theory put about, but then there are many theories.
If it was a confidence issue, it would make sense to see how the W15 goes in races before making the decision to move.
I cannot put Lewis' move down to a lack of confidence in Mercedes. It might be a part of the reason but not the main part imo. I just don't see it.

Yes his reaction is that he's moving to Ferrari, but now you're jumping to conclusions as to why.

"Ferrari's not gonna win anything because of culture and the fact that they're banking on their brand."

And this wasn't true when Schumaher took 5 titles with them? Again you just say things as if they are fact.
What has 'banking on their brand' got to do with anything?

So what is it then? Lost confidence or a money grab?
I don't think it's either so I will disagree with you. That's not to say those aren't a facter at all, but I don't think it's the major factor.

Here's a theory....
Lewis thinks that Red Bull are so far ahead that they won't be beaten now for the rest of his time in F1.
So might as well fulfil another life long dream to drive for Ferrari. Cos let's not forget Lewis has talked about wanting to do this for a while. Do you think Lewis would drive for Haas for the same Ferrari money? I don't.

Maybe Lewis going to Ferrari after they DID offer him a contract he was happy with, attracts not only more sponsors (which it will) but good personnel who want to join Ferrari to be in on it with Lewis.
You never know if Ferrari will beat Merc this season or not and again in 2025.

Well there you go. If they didn't correlate correctly, then Lewis would still know in the sim. I could only think of 2 scenarios given Merc's predicament re: their correlation issues.

First, sim is providing unfavorable driving performance but the car is totally fine. Wouldn't you as a driver think that if they can't get this right, they won't have a cost and performance advantage? The future is in the sim mate.

Second, sim is providing favorable results but car is driving like a sloth. This is just obvious. Why the hell would I keep on continue driving.

Because of this correlation issue involving the sim, Lewis has lost confidence. It's always that initial feel especially to Lewis. He's an instinctive driver that's why he doesn't drive the sim that much. But he's smart enough to know that it provides value.

Of course they're gonna say sim's all good. That's just PR. Good teams don't even mention sim performance - THEY JUST KNOW.

I don't need to drive that thing. I just need to know his reaction. And that reaction is transfer to Ferrari.

As for the money, it's just greed. All people do this. Merc's still better than Ferrari in terms of team performance. Ferrari's not gonna win anything because of culture and the fact that they're banking on their brand. But that's not the hallmark of a great team anymore. It's performance across all areas, which Ferrari have been failing to do since the Todt-Brawn-Schumi era. The 07 title was just remnants of that dominant team and the Alonso era, well, was just pure will and unlimited $$$.

He's with Ferrari to cash in the last few years of his viability in the sport. And that's okay. Good for him. Get that dough.

In summary, let's not kid ourselves. Merc's better than Ferrari across ALL areas. British and Germans (except for Toto of course) - better managers than Italians, arguably the best PU on the grid, experienced race engineering and strategy (though not the best), and just stability.

He is a useless cockroach, a c0cksucking leach, don't fall for his tricks, he's got more diseases than a punjabi prostitute . Just a waste of dog sperm unworthy of attention.

"A driver of Lewis's calibre will exactly know if the car's fast in the sim."
Is it as clear cut as that though? For example, the results Merc got in the wind tunnel with the previous car didn't correlate on-track.
I would imaging that some of the wind tunnel data is used to program the sim.
There will be differences between the sim and the real thing I'm sure.

But even so, it's hard to know where your car sits against it's rivals unless it feels worse than the previous car. So far, the sim results have been positive according to what we've heard.

Money for sure played a role. Ferrari's offer was simply incredible.
However, I still believe Mercedes' unwillingness to give Lewis a 3 year deal and an ambassadorial role was the key thing that made Lewis want to move and fulfil another goal he's had, which is to drive for Ferrari.
Lewis is rich enough already really. :)

Ferrari will have sponsors coming to them now just because of Lewis. They'll do well out of this deal.

As i said, the half a billion that was put on the table, with 80% of that for Lewis' outside stuff like Mission 44, must have been a factor for sure.
So between the contract and the offer from Ferrari, it was a done deal. Lewis only gets 20% of that offer as salary though.

"No heroes? Your name's 44-7x legend. Way to make the case for having no heroes."

My name is not a case. Nor does it imply that I consider Lewis as my hero. As I said, I don't do heroes or idols with any sports people. And if I did, the closest to that would be Senna, not Lewis.

My name was just to annoy or tease the RB trolls who were here at the time. I could have said 44-8xLegend if I wanted to be morally accurate and tease them even more.
I'm just a fan of Lewis, that's all. There is no more to read into that.

Nah. A driver of Lewis's calibre will exactly know if the car's fast in the sim. He's been doing it extensively since 2021 (I know he doesn't enjoy it). Don't you think he would know already? If not, why?

Next, it's all about money. If you look at the public market today, Ferrari and the Mercedes group's market caps are at 70B Euros each. Of course you need to look at other financial metrics like EBIT, NIAT, FCF, and on a more micro level, IRR and NPV of their projects in order to truly have an idea of how much money they generate.

Because they both are valued at almost 70B Euros each, the market views their financial metrics as similar (w/ variances but enough to add up to make this judgment). You could argue that Ferrari nets more profits but Mercedes has access to the German government's coffers. Access to cash and retained earnings are pretty tight in this comparison.

This leaves the story of each brand, which admittedly Ferrari has the upper hand here. Because Ferrari is the most storied and most recognizable car brand in the world, LH44 has decided to get on the prancing horse's back to get more attention by generating more clicks and be featured in more ads. WHO THE HELL WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A BRIGHT RED SUPERCAR???

So it's about money mate. Also, the fact that you mentioned it's about the contract, even if the issue's about its length, it all boils down to future value a company can generate for an athlete.

No heroes? Your name's 44-7x legend. Way to make the case for having no heroes.

Shut up you waste of dog sperm. Lick my ass and now you can report my c0ck and balls for invading your cavities, you useless 40 year old v!rgin cockroach.

LOL, is this your parting shot? :) Loser.

HAHAHA WTFFFFFFFFF. The ultimate 44-7x Legend fan babyyyyyyyyy

Yeah, it seems so. Haha. I think that is what you call a meltdown of the highest order. :)

Ait’s slow under his hands.