Horner on continuing with Honda: 'There were too many compromises'

07:00, 31 May 2023
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Don't say it wasn't tried. Red Bull Racing and Honda have talked many times about continuing their successful partnership, but eventually the split came. From 2026, the Japanese will enter into a new marriage with Aston Martin, that much became clear last week. Christian Horner, Red Bull's team boss, is more than at peace with it.

Horner summed it up once again: originally, Honda had intended to exit Formula 1 completely at the end of '22. Eventually, Horner and Red Bull managed to convince the Japanese to continue supplying engines to Red Bull until the end of 2025, albeit not with a Honda branding. In the meantime, the high-ups at Honda headquarters slowly backtracked on their decision to kiss F1 goodbye.

Horner foresaw too many compromises

"We then had discussions in the autumn and heading into the winter of last year, about, you know, was there potentially any link-up regarding the electrification, because combustion was still something that they were not keen to continue with then. But, to be honest with you, there were too many compromises, probably on both sides, that would be needed to be made to enable that to happen. So that's when we decided to take up the option with Ford and make our commitment."

The marriage between Red Bull and Honda has always gone according to plan, as both parties have revealed on several occasions. Soon, it will be up to Aston Marin to work with the Japanese. "Honda are a great partner to have, I'm sure that the team at Silverstone will enjoy working with them. But again, that's still two-and-a-half years away."

So from 2026, two different car brands will work together. On paper, that sounds remarkable: Aston Martin-Honda. Horner does not foresee any problems: "So obviously, I think they found a way of overcoming whatever differences they have as automotive manufacturers and I think for Formula 1 it’s positive that the Honda brand remains in the sport."

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MikeyG 01 June 2023 at 04:02+ 613

They wouldn’t give you full control?? Never mind, guess they had you sussed. Stop whining Horner, you’re getting a ….Ford ? hmmm, let’s have a look at Fords’ recent F1 history?!

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VeganWarrior 31 May 2023 at 08:25+ 52581

I have been saying this for a while: Honda and Red Bull didn't part ways amicably. I can see the point that they have put a lot of work and R&D into the current power unit (PU) and wanted Red Bull to build on that success. However, Red Bull/Horner didn't want to make those concessions. And now, the horror of it all, Aston Martin (AM) will have Honda building their 2026 PU using data gathered from the 2023, 2024, and 2025 PUs in the Red Bull.

It's not the ideal situation for Horner and Red Bull because it looks like Red Bull failed to maintain the relationship with Honda. The previous statement that "Honda wanted to leave F1" is not exactly true, as per Horner's claim.

It's interesting to consider that Aston Martin could potentially win a championship in 2026.

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Divergent2 31 May 2023 at 10:12+ 21333

Honda have lost around 150 people to Redbull Power trains. These are the very people that built 2021 engine which was brought forward by a year due to Honda's decision to quit. Redbull have also hired around 45-50 people from Merc HPP.
So, expect Redbull's ICE to be competitive right from the start.
Electrical side of the engine will be developed in partnership with Ford.

Honda indecisiveness cost them the successful partnership with Redbull. They might even join hands in the future if collaboration with Ford fails.

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VeganWarrior 31 May 2023 at 13:15+ 52581

@Divergent2, https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.horner-explains-why-red-bull-opted-to-partner-with-ford-instead-of.4TxWiQTxtwg8gjSZlZR9j8.html

In this article you will read the conditions that satisfied Redbull, it does seem we are not getting the fill picture as to what transpired between Honda and Redbull.

The current PU and the 24,25, pu will be manufactured in Japan and supplied to Redbull, my point is that pu and data learned will be used by Honda for their 2026 AM PU, thats not ideal I for for Redbull and no Honda can't provid any if the data to the RBPT department as that IP is separate from the current working PU in the car.