Horner on Wolff: "I never, ever saw that kind of reaction"

I will, don't worry. I have also learned that when people write posts as you do, it's insincere and hiding a frustration of a truth they dare not admit to.

Oh wow. So I have a deep dark secret? And I dare not admit it? Ooooooooohhhh The truth is your hatred for Red Bull has dulled your senses.

The truth is Lewis seems phony to me, genuine to you. Neither of us actually knows. Glad to hear you hold your Father in high esteem. Not everyone has that. I enjoy these bantering sessions, so thanks for playing along.

I don't have any idols. Except perhaps my Father. There's noting phony about Lewis Hamilton. What you see is what you get. And as for his titles and wins. What you see is what you GOT. Right at ya ! :) Thank for doing what I said you'd do - reinforcing my point.

Ha! You are almost as sanctimonious as your pathetically phony idol. You took the blue pill. I can’t help you now.

I don't need help, I manage very well on my own. So don't feign concern. "So stating my opinion is somehow sh***ing on other people?" Well, only if your opinion is sh***ing on other people - which is what you were doing. Whether you continue to do so is up to you. But if you do, you'll only reinforce my point.

So stating my opinion is somehow sh***ing on other people? Get some help.

Well good for you. And yet you still have this need to sh** on other people just because it's part of who you are.

Man you are too much (another psychological line). I have very little to be bothered about in F1 this year. The best driver is pulling away in the championship, George Russell is doing what many of us thought he would do, quickly establishing himself as the dominant force at Mercedes, Checo - my favorite driver - is having an excellent season, and we finally have wheel-to-wheel racing again!!! I’m good, thanks!

Every day I wait for someone to use the 'your hatred of Red Bull...' line :) You use that as some weak reasoning to try and denegrate my comment. My feelings for Red Bull do not make my responses any less accurate than they would be if I was a Red Bull fan. The only difference is that if I was a Red Bull fan, I wouldn't be publicly putting them down. I could say your hatred for Lewis/Mercedes has dulled your senses. Would you agree to that? These posts with 'keep it up' and telling me that my posts make them feel good etc. is all psychology and it's a fake one at that. You want to brush off the truth because it bothers you but you'd never admit to it. So you go on defensive mode with that kind of comment. The thing with the psychology of trolls is that it's very easy to see and understand because, in general, they tend to all act the same - from that very thin playbook they all have in their less than intellectual heads.

Well this is YOUR way of seeing it. And you choose that way because it's the only way, in your mind, that you think you can win. I've been 'salty' with Red Bull since 2010. Whether they were dominant or not. I don't have any idols in F1 or any other sport. I don't go in for such sentimentality. No-one has been exposed though. That's your perception because, unfortunately for you, you don't know any better. I will keep it up and I don't need your permission to do so.

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I'd say the jury of this board has spoken. Every time a comment is pro Toto or LH or defending them it gets only a like or two. Maybe three or four. When it's countered with facts aboit Toto acting like his team is completely arrogantly entitled...the likes get double digits. To that one guy who has a Mercedes love affair...RBR, Horner, Max and apparently his Dad as well are absolutely positively living rent free in his head.

"I'd say the jury of this board has spoken. Every time a comment is pro Toto or LH or defending them it gets only a like or two. Maybe three or four." Because likes are so important and justified on this Dutch forum (aka max verstappen fan club) aren't they??

That's not how it works. The amount of likes to a post are down to whether the person is pro Max or pro Lewis. The majority of trolls here are pro Max. So any pro Max or anti-Mercedes/Lewis posts are liked more because the trolls all back up each other as they naturally agree with any anti-Mercedes/Lewis sentiment regardless of how factual or not that it is. Quoting facts about Max in a Red Bull article and even for Jos for that matter, is simply that. Quoting facts. No-one is living rent free in anyone's head. That's like saying that me knowing water is wet means water is living rent free in my head. It's a throwaway meaningless statement that people like to use to assert a false position of superiority.

Actually I'm not. Red Bull, in the political arena, are far more the instigators and have been since 2010. Red Bull will go via any means to win and politics is a favoured path of theirs. That you write posts with 'Hamboys' in it, shows you have no credible comeback. Only the need to disagree but with no substance. Now that makes you the greater fool here.

I see no substance in your reply, though, fool.

Well to go below it, first you have to be above it. It seems to me you can't even do that.

Neither is that which you write... Well, it is a benchmark of sorts. The kind of level one doesnt want to go below...

What you see or don't see isn't really a good or credible benchmark.

He acts in a disgraceful manner right now, trying to get other teams hindered by regulation to move his forward, just as they bring a new floor, and throwing tantrums when he doesn't get his way. We don't really need to say more at the moment. The championship was going fine and cordial until Mercedes started interfering. Whatever pathetic reply you post, you're not gonna convince anyone other than your fellow blind Hamboys.

"He acts in a disgraceful manner right now, trying to get other teams hindered by regulation to move his forward" Just like Red Bull did in the last 5 laps of Abu Dhabi. Only they did it by breaking regulations not by trying to add one through the proper channels. And don't worry, I'm fully aware that RB fans are un-moving in their opinions and never question that they might be wrong. For an RB fan they are right 100% of the time, all the time in their minds. You've already judged this reply to be pathetic which backs up my claim on that You just cannot hear an opposing view and give any weight to it if it's something you disagree on. This is why you are unable to debate to any reasonable degree and instead prefer to troll. Because that way you don't have to think, question or be smart.

Which was the right call given the amount of laps remaining. That way, they would have had time to legitimately have 1 final lap of racing. Toto would have set Masi straight if he'd listened but instead he foolishly chose to listen to Red Bull and it cost him his job. If you were as knowledgable on those final laps are you'd like to think you are, you wouldn't be making statement that are so easily disassembled.

It’s only the right call for Hamboys wanting their messiah to win. Don’t make me laugh, you couldn’t disassemble a lego kit.

I would have loved to build the Falcon! But back when I was 11, Lego Technics was not even a thing. Just standard blocks and nothing fancy. So I did what I could with those :) Nowadays, I wouldn't mind that big Porsche that they do. And the Bugatti. They look insane. And there's a Lego F1cars too? Don't think they're complex kits though. For that I go with model kits like Airfix/Tamiya/Revell.

Same

Why? Because I'm maybe not the bad guy you thought I was? :) The reality is I'm actually easy to get on with and friendly. But I have a zero toleration for online trolls and I push back. It really is that simple. Here, I am what people turn me into. Their reflection. Shame is, they can't even see it. Anyway, it was a nice chat. Hopefully it continues in this way. But if not, I'm still here for it :)

I don’t know man, it doesn’t feel the same now ???

Right that's enough being nice, shall we get back to the trolling? Hehe.

I know, I just use legos instead of Lego bricks since it's shorter. Yes I have. Many times. Yes it hurts.

That was the idea :) Just lightening up the mood. :) Now I don't want to correct you here but I feel I have to so don't take it in a bad way. Lego is a brand name, so there is no such word as 'Legos'. A pile of Lego is still Lego. But you can have Lego's (with the apostrophe) when referring to them in a sentence like "Lego's ability to constantly bring enjoyment to kids is a testament to blah blah" And now I have to ask... have you ever stepped on one with your bare feet :) I'm sure I must have done many times. Can't be pleasant on a hard floor.

I'll give you this. I was entertained by this reply ? And I love Legos too, that's why it was the first thing that came to my mind!

Cruise ship for you, Millenium Falcon for me ?

What? Lego is awesome. Best toy ever invented. I grew up messing with Lego. I even won a building competition once where I built a big cruise ship. I was... probably 11 at the time. Aaah the good old days. I disassembled a lot of things I made so that kinda refutes your silly claim. That helicopter gunship I broke apart to build something else was hard to do. It was so nice. I think I still have a photo of it if you're interested. :) As for the messiah thing, well I'm not religious so that term is useless to me. But I do understand why you used it as, compared to Hamilton, the other drivers could be considered disciples. Max is obviously Judas. Question: If I have a HAM sandwich am I showing bias? What if I couple it with a Pepsi MAX ? Am I now being objective? Hmmmm. These are things I wonder when I'm bored reading immature comments from trolls who are incapable of doing any better.

Be more specfic or your comment holds no water.

Read better.

Get a grip of your self you coward

I have twisted no facts. Unlike you did in your other post here. Horner was unprofessional to do so no matter how he feels. And how you feel matters even less. Even the Motorports director of the Bahrain GP used the same words to Horner about Mercedes in 2021. Scandalous. When it comes to narratives, Horner has had many of his own. He's not afraid to distort the truth and even lie. His rhetoric against Lewis in Silverstone 2021 was just inappropriate and very much out of order. You've NEVER heard Wolff say anything bad about Max.

Dude, give it a rest. Toto and Lewis were the once that started to frame Max. From the start of the season they called Max dangerous. And every opportunity they had they continued with the framing. They even went so far to have laywers present during the final race. Not a bad word about Max that is just a complete and utter lie and you know it. This year is completely different and that is mostly because Mercedes isn't in the picture. The moment they are, the toxic enviroment comes back, like is happening now.

Lol, a lot of text again, are you trying to bore me to dead? But seriously, you try to twist and turn it, that I am the cause, but I just replied to a comment from you. I did not insult you, that is your approach. Above comments are enough prove of that. But back to with what I started. It is Toto Wolff who is toxic. And he was the one that continues tries to frame Max.

"So, now you start to blame me for your behaviour. Sorry, but that explains why you are a joke. " Well not really, but it does explain what I've said since day 1. Which is I troll the trolls. You are a troll and you troll me, so you get trolled back and then cry about it as if I'm some big bad monster. Yet you bring it all on yourself. It doesn't have to be this way. I'm more than willing to have friendly conversations with people. But you're just not a friendly type of person. And you're too obsessed with insulting me than to comment on my F1 related posts. In fact, in another reply to you today I wrote this to you.. "If your posts to me are only going to be about character assassination instead of Formula 1 then you're making my point for me. You're more obsessed with bringing me down as a person than responding to the content of my comments." Once again, with your reply you have proven this to be true. Your quote about wise men is not about difficulty :) But I'm not surprised you find it difficult to answer my questions. I don't think you're capable of doing so with any merit. Why would I be interested in the answers of someone who just wants to criticise and insult me? Perhaps you need to look at your behaviour if you want me to show any interest. 'value added contributions' - That's the 2nd time you've used that phrase. :) A new one you came up with is it ? I'll tell you what, when it comes to value added contributions, you go first. Because I've made more of those - and am capable of making more of those - than you ever have. With the insults you fling my way I seriously doubt it's something you look fwd to. If you're sh***y to people, you're going to get sh***y replies. Maybe make a change in the way you react to people. Be less insulting for a start. Then come up with replies that actually merit something. Then, this day you look forward to so much might come sooner than you think.

So, now you start to blame me for your behaviour. Sorry, but that explains why you are a joke. One idot can ask more questions than 10 wise men can answer. So it has become very difficult to answer your questions. Moreover, you are not interested in my answers. So good luck with the trolling and hopefully there will come a day that you can start again with value added contributions. Looking forward to the day.

Jem, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks about me. I dunno why you think I would. Or are you trying to influence others to not think for themselves but think as you do? Seems to me you just ran out of answers. If you think I've become a troll, then you can blame yourself and others like you for making me that way. So now you don't get to complain. Suck it up or be a better person and see a better me. Oh and your views on Mercedes... yeah I care about those even less than I do your views about me. Instead of focusing on the person your replying to (which leads to bitter replies like the one you just posted), reply to the response. Understand? Take me out of the equation and reply to the words, not the person. Try it. Might make you debate better.

Sorry, but you have become a joke with your broken record attitude. And you do not troll the trolls, you have become the troll. Mercedes is the toxic team. Or let me say Wolff is. He is the only constant factor when it comes to resentment between different teams.

"But Red Bull didn't, they decided it on the track." Haha, yeah they did. With the help of the race director Michael Masi who was coerced by Jonathan Wheatley into breaking the sporting regs twice to help Red Bull win. Decided it was, but in an unfair way that was tantamount to cheating. Of course that had to be brought up by Mercedes after. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't protest that shambolic finish which tarnished the FIA and F1. It is Red Bull that is the toxic team. Why do you have to twist everything around? Red Bull has been like this since 2010 ! Way before Max. It's too early for Max to fight dirty like he did in 2021. It's only now he's got the points gap where he can now take big risks with Charles if he challenges him. Don't fool yourself into thinking that Max will be any different with LeClerc than he was with Lewis. The different with Lewis was that it was Max's first chance to be in a winning car. So he went aggressive because he know he had to against Lewis. He was willing do anything to win and Red Bull were happy to let Max be as aggressive or as dirty as he wanted. Now he has a title, albeit a fake one, the pressure isn't as great and he won't be so desperate. And I doubt he sees Charles as much of a threat as he saw Lewis. Max does push hard. But fair? No. You'll never convince me of that after 2021 and seeing his first few years in F1 where he was just being dangerous in the braking zones. I'm not behaving any differently than I always have. I've seen the comments in this article and I hardly need to see my own. I troll the trolls. How many times do you need telling? Tell us something we don't know.

There is a Dutch saying: "zoals de waard is, vertrouwt hij zijn gasten." It roughly translates to: "as the innkeeper is he trusts his guests." That is why Mercedes asked the laywers, because they expected Red Bull to behave like they would do. But Red Bull didn't, they decided it on the track. Mercedes is the toxic team. That is also the reason why there is no fight between Red Bull and Ferrari, but there is between Ferrari and Mercedes. And other teams and Mercedes. With regard to Max, yes he makes mistakes, but unlike Mercedes he doesn't behave like a snake/rat. Max will push hard, but fair. Like I said before, you behave more and more like a troll and less and less like a F1 fans with added value. Just look at the comments in this article.

If you're asking me to give it a rest, then you're just giving me all the more reason not to. Max was known to be dangerous from early in his F1 career. In 2021 he showed that to be true, particularly in Monza. If Merc went to the lengths of lawyers, then it must be for a good reason and if that's because they expected Red Bull or Max to not play fair, I'd say that was a good bet. And how right they were. Yesh right Max is an angel and anything negative that can be said about him is not true right? Wake up. The toxic environment, if anything, WILL come from Red Bull and Horner (as we are seeing). He will do ANYTHNG to stop Mercedes from being a race winning car again. And don't kid yourself that now Max has a healthy lead that he would not resort to his 2021 dirty driving to protect it just like he did last year.

Not scandalous at all. It was deserved.

It was a massive scandal. I still can't believe that mercedes screwed Lewis and. Refuse to pit. Even Lewis questioned that. Maybe the German team didn't want Lewis to beat a German legend record.

It was a scandal, an overburdened and insanely bullied and harassed FIA official was used as a scapegoat, and Mercedes were on the way to STEAL it with a cheating spicy engine. And I was responding to you calling the Bahrain Motorsports Director’s choice of words scandalous, pointing out that it Mercedes deserved it. As far as the toxic environment, we have eyes and we see. Nothing of the sort happened whenever Toto was out of the picture. Neither Max, Red Bull or Ferrari are capable of such toxicity

You can tell yourself that all you want. But the last race of the season was a scandal, it was controversial, it was cheating and an FIA official lost his job over it. When the points were level going into that race, Max choked for the entire race and Lewis dominated it after beating Max off the line. You deserve it when you win it on your own merit. That is not how it was won.

Toto do NOT coerce the race director at all. Go and look up the word 'coerce'. Toto did not get listened to. Red Bull did. Wheatley was NOT calling for what was fair. Jeez, could you get it any more wrong? Masi was doing the right thing until Wheatley talked him out of it and had Masi break the sporting regs on two occasions to put Max, and only Max, in an advantageous position that he could not possibly have been in had the rules been followed Silverstone was not cheating. Hamilton was way back on points so had no motive to risk his car (unlike Max). That was a racing incident that occurred when Max turned in and failed to account for where Lewis was on track and so didn't leave enough room. In Monza, Max had the big points advantage so he DID have the motive to take Lewis out to prevent the points lead being cut. That's what he did. Deliberately took Lewis out with a bonehead move. I see you crying in your post about other random things but none of them are relevant to what's being said here Don't accuse others? Of what? So no-one else does anything I do? :) Nice? You're in the wrong place buddy. Unfortunately this is not a friendly environment where people discuss F1 like in a civil matter. I wish it was but it isn't, so I adapt to the surroundings.

Oh honey, your Hamilton tinted glasses prevent you from seeing anything right. The fact that lapped cars weren’t let through on lap 46 is proof Toto was coercing Masi. And when the fair thing to do is to let lapped cars through, as per the regulations, then Wheatly was calling for what was fair. Since Masi listened to Toto and didn’t let through cars on lap 46, whatever would happen after that would be wrong in some way. And it was, just not for the reasons that suit Merc, Ham, and their loyal sheeple. You calling Silverstone just a racing incident shows just how blind you are. The rest aren’t irrelevant, it just doesn’t suit your hamboy brain to consider them.

" Deliberately took Lewis out with a bonehead move." Please for once show proof then for these false claims beside your own 'motive' and thinking. Let me describe it again for you. Silverstone could have been (if I follow your logic) deliberate as well by Lewis. At least there is video evidence of Lewis not taking the apex and the corner like he should have. He was behind in points, losing that corner would mean Max would probably win the race, so an even bigger point gap. You follow my logic right? So either crashing or cashing out Max would reduce the point gap or not make it bigger. So there it goes.. But you get angry if people call Silverstone deliberate without proof, but you keep on hammering about Monza without proof. Remember, I do not start about this topic again, you keep bringing it up over and over again. Now for what is most likely the truth. Lewis made a way too optimistic move and realised he was wrong but corrected it wrong/too late by missing the apex and not backing out on time. Max left enough room for Lewis to take the corner. If like you say Lewis would have taken the apex he would have NOT taken out Max because Max would have passed Lewis halfway the corner already and Lewis would have joined behind. As for Monza, over optimistic move of Max but Max left Lewis all the room he needed while Lewis did NOT close the door at turn 1 (like he should have) so Max saw that gap. Then when he is side by side Lewis looks at Max and squeezes Max and Max has nowhere to go anymore. Lewis did NOT take the normal race line there. If he did, he would have gotten the better exit anyway at turn 2 and drove off from Max. Just look at the on boards and you can see all this if you will be objective for once about it. Silverstone is less of a racing incident than Monza. " Unfortunately this is not a friendly environment where people discuss F1 like in a civil matter." That goes for some people, not everyone. We agree on a lot and as well that the admins are hugely to blame for this more and more unfortunately.. "so I adapt to the surroundings" As for this, you said you would only troll the trolls, but I have the feeling you now as well start to make these kind of comments you despise instead of just reacting normally to begin with.

Like I said, it was a really over optimistic move. And it could have been prevented by both users with both the same outcome, Lewis in front. I don't think Max would have overtaken Lewis even if Lewis had chosen a wider line to leave some room, since Lewis would have gotten a much better exit of turn 2. Anyway. Hope you understand the view/situation I mentioned as well. Of a few comments back. " I'm not here every day but when I want to kill an hour, I pop in to see the entertainment." Then you got it served on a silver plate with the Vips article today ;)

Not a direct T-bone no, but he did go into the side of Lewis's car. Lewis had no reason to take a wider line. He was on the racing line because he owned that corner. Max had no business being where he was. If any of those two drivers needed to be in a different place, it was Max, not Lewis.

"The impact was in turn 2" But Max did not T-bone him. I meant if Lewis took a wider line and Max would have crashed in Lewis' side as a T-bone as you say in turn 2. I totally agree with your last part, got sometimes (maybe more even) better and more important things to do as well.

"If this would have happened in turn 2 I would have been the first to say Max made a complete stupid move and an awful mistake." The impact was in turn 2 "Totally understandable. It's a shame though about some users here that they're not tired of that behavior still." Agreed. On the days I'm not here, I have had a smile to myself thinking that people will be still raging on here an I'm out enjoying the weather, messing in the garden etc. It's comforting in a way.

"for a car about to t-bone his car when Lewis' had the corner" If this would have happened in turn 2 I would have been the first to say Max made a complete stupid move and an awful mistake. "This is why I don't waste too much time here any more. I'm not here every day" Totally understandable. It's a shame though about some users here that they're not tired of that behavior still.

OK so to summarise, you think the stewards were wrong in Monza (because you think Lewis should have left room for a car about to t-bone his car when Lewis' had the corner. At no point could Max lay claim to that corner. By turn two is was a lost cause already. Max was into the side of Lewis' car at turn 2. "A tiny bit at such speed is just too high impact force, seen that with Ferrari in 2019 Brazil as well." Yes I'm away of this but we should be talking about the incidents not the aftermath. The incident at Silverstone was a much lighter contact than the incident at Monza. The aftermath was different because of the different speeds involved. You cannot compare the corners of two tyres touching to a side on crash where the offending car ends up on top of the one it's hit. Life is too short for that crap. I totally agree. This is why I don't waste too much time here any more. I'm not here every day but when I want to kill an hour, I pop in to see the entertainment.

I only will comment the highlights for me. "because I'm assuming Max would not be so silly or naive to make such and idiotic move with his racing skills" Yes, this is kinda exactly it. It was a very enthusiastic move and he wouldn't have passed Lewis in my eyes if Lewis kept the outside line in turn 2. Lewis would have simply just drove off that way and kept his position. "you will see that the stewards noted that the corner belonged to Lewis at all times" Yes they said that, and I can agree for turn 1. For turn 2 Lewis knew Max was alongside already. So I really think the stewards are wrong in making turn 1 and turn 2 a single turn in their ruling. Especially with the on board evidence that Lewis looks at Max and then decides to squeeze him. Like I said, Lewis should have taken turn 1 completely different and by doing so, kept Max behind him at all times. And this is a very objective view though, hope you can see that. "In Silverstone the tyres touched and even then it was just by the slightest bit - the tiniest of margins" A tiny bit at such speed is just too high impact force, seen that with Ferrari in 2019 Brazil as well. "So you're ok with me trolling trolls? :)" I actually don't agree to both, life is too short for that crap in my opinion (just had someone died at work at too young age which gives you another reality check that it is just useless to troll around in my eyes). "You're excluding yourself...but who else? 'Some' being the vast majority. " There are a couple more that I know are capable of doing so, and some do mostly and some are sometimes tricked into bad comments as well. No need to mention names.

"Please for once show proof then for these false claims beside your own 'motive' and thinking." How do you know it's a false claim? You don't know any more than me what Verstappen was thinking so don't pretend you do. I don't have proof because I can't read Max's mind either and Max isn't likely to admit it was deliberate. But what I do have is the knowledge that Max had motive and when you combine that with his aggressive driving and willingness to push Lewis off track and brake test him causing a crash, then it's not a car stretch to say that Max could make a slow speed dive right into Lewis suspension to take both cars out to advantage himself. The thing to further this is that Max had a big points advantage that allowed him to take this risk. In Silverstone the reverse was true. Lewis didn't have the points lead and was 29pts behind. So there was no motive or reason for him to risk his car in what was a high speed collision with Max. And Lewis has no history of aggression or dirty driving (remember that dirty driving requires intent so don't be dragging up Albon). So no, nothing like Silverstone at all. I've explained this to you multiple times and clearly you have taken none of it into account. And you wonder why I repeat myself. You're wrong about the apex too. Lewis was very much alongside Max when they turned in. For Lewis to turn in tighter to make this apex, that you think is so important, he would have had to have a wider exit. That's physics. By taking a wider entry, you can be tighter on the exit and therefore able to leave a space for a car to the left. That is, providing that car has stayed wide also and not turned in. But Max did turn in. It's all about points and motive in both cases. And the mentality to do such a thing. For me Max is far, far more likely to want to take an opponent out than Lewis is. Pushing rivals off track is a risk as that can end up in a crash, yet Max did it many times. Then he brake checked Lewis in Jeddah (a move even Newey said he should not have done) causing a collision. He did that because he was frustrated that Lewis wasn't playing his DRS game. As for Lewis leaving room (or not) in Monza, if you read the stewards notes on that incident where Max was given the rightful penalty and awarded fault, you will see that the stewards noted that the corner belonged to Lewis at all times and therefore he did not have to leave room or concede his position. Max shouldn't have had to leave any room because he should not have put himself in that position in the first place. The ONLY reason he did was because he knew it was his last and only chance to prevent Lewis winning the race and closing the points gap (I think Max was 33pts ahead at the time). Lewis had just exited the pits on new tyres and had track position. So Max tried something drastic and if it wasn't deliberate then it was a move even a rookie would know to make. I'm sorta giving Max a back-handed compliment by saying it's deliberate because I'm assuming Max would not be so silly or naive to make such and idiotic move with his racing skills. It was a move that clearly was never going to work. Surely he didn't think Lewis was going to wave Max through when he had track position and they were in a tight chicane. Do you think he should have? :) Considering Lewis has exited the pits and his rival was approaching, Lewis' line was perfect for that moment. A line Max will have expected as he would have done the same. All the more reason why I know it was deliberate from Max. He knew Lewis would have it covered but he did the move anyway. The fact that you think Silverstone is less of a racing incident than Monza is just incredible. How do you expect me to think you're even attempting to be reasonable when you say something like that? In Silverstone the tyres touched and even then it was just by the slightest bit - the tiniest of margins. In Monza a car crashed right into the side of another one at a slower more deliberate speed. Come on Jeroentje, you're better than this - I would hope. "That goes for some people, not everyone." You're excluding yourself...but who else? 'Some' being the vast majority. So you're ok with me trolling trolls? :) I make strong comments when I'm calling out ignorance and/or deliberate BS. And occasionally yes I will start with my own post in that way. It's me fitting in with the current atmosphere here. If this place was largely civil, my stronger comments would stick out like a sore thumb. But to any outsider, they fit in like a glove to all the others. Except I do my best not to post in ignorance and I don't do willful BS because it's too easy to be caught out and called out on it as I do to others. There are many times I am not inclined to 'react normally' as you put it because I'm in a sea of troll comments.

RB clearly has the measure of Ferrari hence the gentlemen facade....long season...keep watching........

No Toto, no charade. Toto, charade. Easy to comprehend.

Lets remember it's only a sport at the end of the day...an exciting one I might add

I'll wait, we'll see at the end of the year. So far only Mercedes causes toxicity, but let's wait and see.

By the way, I remind everyone that I love the Mercedes brand, and would love to support them. So my frustration at their antics is doubled.

let Ferrari start winning a few races.....lets see what happens...just that Ferrari is not very good at converting what was a dominant car earlier in the season into wins.....or better still....let MB leap to the front (unlikely yes)....then watch all hell break loose

So Horner didn't build his team? I may hate Horner with a passion (and I do) but the only thing I would credit him for is building Red Bull into a successful team. Even I can acknowledge that despite how I feel about that vile man. You can't argue that Horner steered the team to where it is. So please don't come with nonsense statements like that. Of course there are other staff, but he's the team principal and deserves the credit for the teams success as much as he would arguably deserve the opposite if the team failed.

I disagree. I’m not really a fan of Horner, I much prefer Binotto’s calm and composed demeanor. But Toto is far worse.

I've seem Binotto ruffled and frustrated a few times :) He's not always calm and composed. Yes when it comes to being passionate, vocal and animated, Toto is worse than Binotto. Horner likes to show that nothing ruffles him but his insides churn, then that bile comes out of his mouth constantly. What is it you're disagreeing about btw? There was a lot of points in my post.

You have no idea what I said and responded with nonsense. I agree on Jos, I disagree with slandering MAX. Do you need me to draw it for you, Hamboy?

Oh so it was Ocon's fault. Yeah I guess he deserved it eh? Just like Jos' wife. Probably had it coming. Jos has mentored Max and moulded him as a driver, so it's no stretch to guess that some of Jos' dark side has rubbed off on Max. How is it slander when it's facts? Do you want the Jos Verstappen run down on his dark history? Then you can tell me if it's slander. I don't do tabloid media. Only here do I make that exception.

To the degree of Horner since Horner is not as bad as Toto. I’m still waiting for an answer. All you’ve provided so far is bs. When did you see Binotto as ruffled as Horner? He wasn’t in Brazil 2019.

Why does it have to be to the degree of Horner? I never made that comparison. Binotto had an 'angry exchange' with Toto just this weekend. You'll naturally want to claim that it was Toto's fault blah blah blah. Binotto also was more than ruffled in Brazil 2019 when Vettel drove into LeClerc and they both went out. Not a happy man then and not calm either. People have emotions. It happens. Feel free to adjective-fill your comments about Toto all you want. It's just word garnish.

I know what you said and that’s why ai disagree. Keep up, boy.

What ultimate point? My words were "Yes when it comes to being passionate, vocal and animated, Toto is worse than Binotto." I didn't mention Horner though and I didn't mean Toto was a worse person. Horner wins that one easily. Just don't take it out of context. Funny how you hold onto my words when it suits you though eh? Maybe I'm wrong and Toto isn't worse. You must think I'm usually wrong so why not now?

The ultimate point. Of all that you’ve said, Wolff is still worse.

Also, I’d love to know where you saw Binotto ruffled and frustrated to the degree of Horner, let alone childish, spoilt brat, put-this-in-the-louvre obnoxious Toto

Ah and another thing, Max is not guilty of the sins of his father because he shoved Ocon, who should’ve been more apologetic and less smartass btw, a bit. Of course, like your favourite driver, your favourite team, and your yellow-page tabloid media, you’ll look for anything to slander him.

Warrior warrior keyboard warrior ???

At least this warrior seems to be getting some protein ?

So since Toto took over, the team has not progressed? They hybrid era Mercedes is ALL Toto. This is when the team has been so dominant.

Nah. Toto stepped in to the perfect situation and rode the coattails of what Braun did. Since then he has been artificially propped up by an incredible engine he had nothing to do with. These new regs have exposed more than Lewis’s lack of driving prowess.

“Lewis hasn't been exposed one bit.” Haha! You’re a comedian with this stuff! You can’t seriously believe this drivel, right?

You'd love to think all that ignorant nonsense was true wouldn't you? LOL Mercedes came from Brawn GP which came from Honda F1 Racing. Mercedes weren't a winning team under Brawn. In the hybrid era we had Wolff and Mercedes took 7 titles on the spin. Teams don't just win on engines alone. There's aero, there's hiring the right staff and drivers. But I won't go into any more detail because it would be wasted on such ignorance. Lewis hasn't been exposed one bit. Just wishing thinking on your part. His driving prowess has been on show since he joined Formula 1. Ask Alonso who got so frustrated that Lewis was getting the better of him as a rookie, he actually demanded that Ron Dennis have Lewis' car sabotaged by underfuelling it. So I can see how someone as good as Lewis makes you so bitter just like it did Alonso and Rosberg.

What do you smash when throwing a tanti?

People's heads.

"I'M" driving? That is NOT a Mercedes F1 car parked in my garage. This is the level I have to deal with. Children.

Wait, you need headphones for GPBlog?! So that's where I've been going wrong!

Haha. Is that the Ricky Gervais quote from The Office?

Ooo you're hard

You almost got it. It's called headphones.

You angry because you realise you driving a sh&xbox after Toto said it.

Oh, you believe everything that's shown in DTS? Well, this explains a lot.

Believe it? I think the fact that we saw and heard Horner say what he said is proof enough. I don't take much stock in DTS as a series. In fact most of the recent one was just garbage with footage from different events depicted in the wrong places. But when you see and hear people actually say things, yes, I believe those parts. Just as you would (or should). Or are we now going to suggest it was DeepFake? What does my comment explain then? Does it perhaps explain why you can't refute my posts and instead resort to unfounded comments? Because talking about something Horner did actually say is not equivalent to 'believing everything'. Like Horner, you should get some integrity.

Okay. :) Let me go get some different colour one's. Where did you get yours from?

Instead of me watching a pile of crap that I've been through once, don't you think it's easier to tell me what YOU are referring to? I haven't changed much, but if I have it's sometimes for the better in fact. But where I have to be more assertive, you can bet I'm going to be. Blame the quality of troll posts for my responses if you want. Anger isn't an issue here and never has been so I really don't know where you think you're seeing that. Having a strong opinion coupled with an opposite point of view is not anger. One of my strengths is that I'm not affected by negative emotion when replying to posts, especially trolls. I'm calm before coming here, I'm calm during and when I close down GPBlog. I don't give it a second thought and get on with my day. I've been voluntarily dealing with trolls for years. Mainly on YouTube which has thankfully calmed down a LOT now compared to a few years ago. So what happens here is pretty tame in comparison to the comments you'd get there. Trust me, arguing with desperate trolls who just post to try and push people's buttons isn't difficult. :) Brazil should have been a 10s penalty because it wasn't his first time. :) Jeroentje, I would really like to chat with you away from here if you're up for it. Just so you can get the real me. Then you'll know and then when you judge me you will be far better informed, as will I. I think it would be great to have a friendly chat with you and it is something I would very much look forward to. What do you think? You up for it? Discord? Zoom? Skype? You up for it? It would save a lot of typing at least, hehe :) (now does that sound like big bad angry Flatout?)

Just watch DtS season 4 and you'll see. I thought you became a bit calmer and more objective, but it seems you slowly go back tothe angry FlatOut unfortunately, too subjective to reason with. After the break and holiday you had you came back much calmer and with more reason. Although I do agree Brazil should have been 5s penalty.

your silver tinted glasses are skewing your judgement.

You can't just leave it at that otherwise there's nothing of substance here. What false accusations? Max was the bad guy in 2021. He was the only driver pushing his rival off the track on multiple occasions, brake checking Lewis and crashing into him at Monza. Then he whinged about Lewis winning Silverstone and celebrating just because he had to have a routine hospital check-up. As if the world should stop for him. There was nothing that could be described as disgraceful while pointing at Mercedes. But if you must use that word, then point it at Red Bull in Brazil, in Monza and mostly in Abu Dhabi. 3 disgraces and there's likely more.

lol, and Toto and Lewis showed integrity with false accusations and making Max the bad guy while knowing he doesn't take part in DtS, no.. they showed perfectly how disgraceful they are though.

Exactly. Silly lewis fans get their information from Drive to survive and then coming and vomiting their stupid opinions online (calling them FACTS). This is why i dont talk to them. They wont let a Fact mess up their argument. Anything they say is Fact.

@44-7xLegend "we can see why he is the World Champion" ( di Resta after Canada) Abu Dhabi? How has Sir Lewis fared since the departure of his guardian angel Michael Masi? All downhill. And Max without Masi? 6 wins from 7 finishes.

You're quoting Paul Di Resta? LOL. Good one. Lewis has fared very well throughout his entire racing career. Masi was RD from 2019. Lewis had 5 world championships by that point. As I said already unless Michael Masi built the 2022 W13 Mercedes car, then nothing about Masi has anything to do with Lewis in 2022. Your logic about 2022 and Michael Masi is very bizarre and it not a sign of someone who is thinking rationally. Nothing you invent in your fantasy world changes the fact that Red Bull make Michael Masi break the F1 sporting regs twice so that they could cheat Max to a win. That's a fact that remains whatever nonsense you want to invent.

Don't base your answers on Drive 2 Survive, as that show got it absolutely wrong in their recap of the 2021 season. Absolute rubbish.

I'm aware DTS was rubbish this last time out. Things in the wrong order etc. But what they dont' fake is actual spoken words from the team bosses. That's real. So I'm only going off those parts.