Christian Danner balks at Formula 1's budget cap scandal. According to the former Formula 1 driver, it is damaging to the sport and it is difficult to determine what punishment is appropriate here.
The FIA announced the budget cap figures on Monday, which showed that Red Bull Racing had indeed exceeded it by a small margin. Ferrari and Mercedes previously spoke outrage at this if this was the case, and now the question is what will the FIA do about this offence? For their part, at Red Bull Racing, they don't understand a thing.
Budget cap scandal bad for F1
''It's really bad for everyone involved. Formula 1 and the teams want to work profitably. This level of profitability can only be guaranteed over the next few years if the budget cap is adhered to. Otherwise we'll go back to where we were years ago,'' Danner refers to the crisis surrounding the corona virus outbreak.
On ServusTV's Sport und Talk broadcast, the former driver of Arrows, among others, finds it difficult to determine a penalty. ''It will be very difficult to find an appropriate penalty now. Because the teams have violated the requirements differently. I can imagine that, for example, points will be withdrawn.''
In Aston Martin's case it would be a procedural error, where Red Bull simply spent a little too much money. Red Bull believes this is not the case and is looking at options to go into conclave with the FIA over this. The FIA is now looking at an appropriate penalty, which does not exclude deduction of points in the drivers' or constructors' championship.
The whole budget cap system is wrong. We are the end of 2022 and only now FIA could finish the 2021 budgets? They should've calculated it at the end of 2021 and say which teams broke the rules. Lets say that in 2023 Ferrari wins and in 2024 they are in minor breach. Give the points or trofie to the other team/ pilot after a year? Will FIA make another official event to celebrate the new pilot or the new team? Will this thing become the new norm? Wait another 10 months just to be sure? The whole budget cap fiasco will end bad for FIA.
If the FIA allows this cheating to go unpunished they can bet the cost cap will end this year Redbull has cheated and its clear thier food and sickness bill excyse holds no water they brought at least 16 upgrades last year including using 2022 tokens in 2021. The whole paddock is convinced they they're over the 2022 budget already! Redbull hasn't even filed their 2021 taxes in Britain as yet which was due since April, Mercedes taxes went into the British tax authorities and the FIA in March and both came back clean so why is all the darkness around Redbull's taxes if they clean. .the FIA robbed Lewis out of his title twice already will they be bold enough to do it a 3rd time !!
If they come out and say its a big mistake we got bernie to do the books 2021 nothing is wrong I'm quitting f1.
Either RB will accept the FIA's conclusions and simply pay the fine, or RB sticks to their side of their story and takes it to a special court with a selection of independent judges. ONLY in the latter case, they might lose (2021) champion points if they lose the case. Let's see if they go for the quick and easy choice, or drag it out in an attempt to clear their name while risking everything.
Maybe constructor points deductions. Driver championship points deduction would be weird tho. Since Lewis and Alonso also didn't had driver championship points reduction in 2007.
Toto @ lewis in silverstone 21: let's give a litle "nudge" to push "them" over the budgetcap...
Toto has a mole in fia and this info meant to be privet so fia have broken there own rule .and am meant to send wrong paper why fia not say so the could corect it.rb and am should take it further with the fia becouse it shows the fia are corept
How can anyone justify cheating if they love f1 so much? It's not justified they deserve punishment. End of.
It's the new drive to survive fans who started watching F1 in 2021. The regulars who have been watching for a long time can't stand cheating. Schumacher had been disqualified one season. It's been done before. Let's see if the FIA canget themselves out of the mess that Red Bull and Max have created for them.
the cap allows " a 5 % tolerance" . their word... TOLERANCE. that means anything under 5 % is forgiven. so where is the violation ? they gave them 5 % and they used less . no crime committed.
Who said under 5% is forgiven? The rules say below 5% is a minor breach or overspend but itself still carries penalties
I would like to know where you got that definition, because if true, it would indeed change a lot. That's like avoiding a speeding ticket when you drive 5 miles too fast (or in Red Bull's case 1-2 miles too fast), because of the error margin.
This site which is a friendly media with RBR censored some words ! The fact is that RBR has won a title cheating!
Transparency should be paramount in the whole process and IF THE OVERSPENT AMOUNT WAS I DEVELOPMONT , points should be deducted . Investigations should indeed be part of the tasks of theFIA and I for one would like to see an independent judicial commission look into the underhand tactics by Merc since 2010 and when not if it is laid out in the open , their drivers should be stripped of all points attained in those cars .
I am utterly confused with this budget cap thing, they say it is a minor breach,
Where are you getting your 18mil from bud? That's completely not true. The teams involved in crashing cannot foot the bill for each other...how will they manage that? Every incident will end up in arbitration for months on end....maybe we need them on Scalextric tracks to avoid damage altogether then hey?
Actually, there is a separate allowance for damages that does not come under the cost cap. So, this point is mute
Allowance of what, 500k to 2million?♂️. It was a joke compared to the damage suffered by Redbull due to dirty Merc drivers.
Merc had two totalled cars at Imola and Monza. But, they didn't cheat to rebuild them. So, is Red Bull special? ?
$18m ha ha ha, it doesn't even cost that to build a car from scratch, probably half that
A new car is barely $2 million lol And, thats factoring in R&D costs Crazy guy the OP
2 million ?♂️. What a joke. Engine alone costs 10.5 million. Car 15 million.
Aren't R and D costs added in every unit/car. Because employees/researchers of the company are permanent and are regularly paid. Material cost remains same throughout the cycle.
That is probably more like it, the initial car and development might be 10+ million, but every replacement part after that will likely be way cheaper, as it doesn't need a team of researchers and developers with every part. The other article mentioned that Horner said that the repairs after Silverstone 2021 were about $1.8 million (probably what another commenter above misread and instead stated $18 million), so yeah, Silverstone was basically a total loss, and if that "only" took $1.8 million to repair, then i wonder where the other $8 - 16 million would go (if every car was $10+ million). And i can see the argument for who will pay the costs when another driver from another team is blamed for said costs. Because if those crashes in theory would cause Red Bull to drop a car (or both cars) from the remainder of the championship, because of no money left to repair it, you'd have to start pointing fingers at Mercedes for committing sabotage.
Let me correct Monza for you 44 was coming out of the pits on cold tyres, 33 saw an oppurtunity and went for a risky outside line, 33 continued to drive into an ever decreasing wedge shaped gap, 44 never deviated from his line through the chichane nor steer left toward 33, 33 had the option of cutting the chicane but opted to colide with 44 as neither car finishing was the better outcome for 33 as he was ahead in the championship with races running out, 44 had no interest in a DNF as he was chasing 33 down The result was in front of everyone who chooses to see without blinkers
3 Redbull's were bowled out by Merc drivers. There's a difference. Toto conveniently mentioned that Merc only need 2-3 Redbull dnf's for them to be back in the championship and they went bowling. Imola - Crashgate 2.0. Both Merc drivers crashed in to each other to help their star driver to recover who was already a lap down due to his amateur mistake. Monza - 44 Left a door open at turn 1, 33 went for the gap. 44 realised his mistake and immediately squeezed 33 going in to turn 2 while 33 was alongside. Result was in front of everyone. Damage on both the cars was nothing as compared to Silverstone.
Suppose, we go with your imaginary number for which you have no proof, you still didn't answer my question. Mercedes had two cars totaled in Monza and Imola. The imola one was in a million pieces across the track. Haas had several crashes last year. How did all these teams not cheat to fix their cars? You quietly edited your comment for the engine cost from 5 million to 10.5 milllion now??? Keep an eye on this guy folks. He "diverges" a lot
That is not completely true. As long as design stays the same fabrication of replacement will be at production cost. This excludes development...you measuring apples with grapes mate
Red Bull Racing had indeed exceeded budget cap by a small margin and Max is Champion of the world!!
Budget cap is just BS. Teams that don't have enough money to properly compete should just leave. Let the other teams like Andretti who are genuinely interested enter the sport. Budget cap is created to increase the profit of all the people involved in the sport. Give it few more years and F1 will become another boring spec series.
Following rules is not BS though. Even if the spending cap is set at $400 million matching the good old days, the only team that has been found guilty of breaking the cost cap yesterday would break it even then.
This is...they didnt 'break' it, no matter how hard all the Merc fanboys are trying to believe that! Red Bull adhered to the budget cap as they interpreted it. As usual with new FIA regulations, its full of grey areas and holes. Now the FIA thinks there is a small breach, due to their own interpretation. That will be discussed and maybe cleared up in the rules, but by no means this is wilfully cheating. Its like DAS from Mercedes, or the moving gront eings from Ferrari and Merc.
There is huge difference between "Cheating and Exploiting a loophole". Merc falls in to first category and everyone else in the second.
But, only Red Bull have been foind guilty of cheating by overspending. 9 other teams got it right. Even AlphaTauri.
Well thats turn-around, the other day you said the budget cap kept the privateers in F1 , when I said that we need more works teams in F1 to get rid if this stupid budget cap. Lol guess when your team is in the wrong you change your stance ,typical.
I have always hated the budget cap. You are confusing me with someone else on the blog.
No. You do seem to do a 180 when its convenient. I too, remember reading your comment adamant about Andretti coming in as a privateer as you considered Red Bull a privateer also and said we need more with the help of budget cap. With this news of Red Bull cheating, you have flipped faster than a French hostage.
I forgot Canada lol Would have also been an appropriate substitute,eh?
Lol, "flipped faster than a French hostage". First time I've laughed at a comment on this site - that's brilliant ;-D
When I read the responses across various other platforms, I was surprised by the level of outrage. Even people who were congratulating Max on his first championship this past sunday have taken it back. What are the implications for 2022 and 2023, 2024 now? When will we know 2022 numbers? If the FIA can deduct points or disqualify for what is the F1 equivalent of doping, F1 might be able to show who is in charge. If not, this instance of cheating by one team will destroy their money maker forever Porsche and Andretti are waiting for 2 open spots on the grid. I wonder what the FIA will do.
These are all 'people' with butter on there heads! Not even sure that ecpressionnis used in England but it sure is appropriate here!
Since it is the team that has overspent, the FIA can deduct points from their constructors championship. Deduct 100 point for every $Million they have over spent. If it $1.8 million, then deduct 180 points. There! A penalty has been given. Everyone move on. The final results , however, will be about as useful as it made to Checo's 5 second penalty at Singapore as RB was over 260 points ahead of Ferrari last year.
Hah, i forgot that Red Bull was so far ahead of Ferrari last year. Because i imagined the 180 point reduction would put them somewhere below the midfield, but yeah.. it makes no difference. And that is kinda what i am expecting as well, points reduction and possibly reduction in testing and maybe a budget cap penalty for 2023, but eventually it will not actually change much to the statistics as they were. Max will remain a 2 time (not two-timing) champion.
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