Red Bull Racing saw Max Verstappen clinch the world title in Japan for the second time in a row. The Austrian formation experienced another period of dominating with Sebastian Vettel in the past. For Jenson Button and Karun Chandhok, memories come to mind, they told Sky Sports.
"I saw this exact thing 11 years ago with Sebastian and Red Bull," Button recalls fondly. The former Formula 1 driver is referring to 2011, when Vettel took his second world title in Japan. "He was so dominant. This is similar to what Max has done."
Both men are impressed by the way Verstappen is showing himself to the outside world this season. Whereas in the past he has at times looked restless on the track, the Dutchman shows that the first world title has made him even more mature.
"I think we've seen a different Max this year," Chandhok analyses. "Spa and Monza he didn't go for the half gaps that we've seen in the past. He is a once-in-a-generation talent, like Lewis, like Senna. We were lucky to see Hamilton and Verstappen go head to head."
Red Bull can achieve their next goal in America
Red Bull still has something to fight for this season. Indeed, in the United States, the team has the opportunity to win the constructors' championship for the first time in years. The difference with Ferrari is 165 points in favour of the Austrians.
Mentioning Lewis and Senna but not Schumacher. Does this guy have a grudge?
He might want to say schumacher, but is forced to mention lewis in order to keep his job with sky sports uk. I'm sure he would say "like Schumacher, like Senna" if he was working in germany.
An article about Button talking about Verstappen and Vettel.
Yet, predictably, all the comments are slagging of Lewis Hamilton.
How does this happen?
Because you're a bunch of sad, petty, Lewis-obsessed trolls with nothing but prejudice and hate for a world champion you don't even know. It's a compulsive disorder.
And you wonder why I bite back at some of you. Then you have the audacity to complain that I call you out as trolls.
Verstappen is saying nothing about Vettel. It is an article about comments from sky sports staff.
Look at you making silly accusations, while you probably didn't even read the article yourself.
How does that make you look?
Yes I meant Button. Instinctive reaction. :)
The accusations still stand.
Checking the mirror I think I look great today. Gotta clip the beard though.
Unfortunately for Lewis, at this point Max is the better driver.
I think he can. He changed his whole attitude lately, as if being grateful is more important than winning. He's talking a certain way to hide how he's really feeling.
Very obvious he is churning inside.
Once he accepts there is always someone better than you, he might finally find some peace within himself.
Hope his therapist is helping with that.
He should talk to alonso. Who is still awesome in driving and his maners. Also alonso thinks he is one of the great but still cab accept someone is better as him and he has peace in that. Only that way you can grow further is would think.
Hamilton never really says what he really feels. That is why many people call him a hypocrite.
Lewis and his followers created a picture in his eyes that he was the best ever. There's a funny anecdote when Jackie Stewart once called Hamilton ONE OF THE BEST EVER, and Lewis took offense at him because he didn't call him the BEST EVER.
He will never accept that someone could be better, therefore he only complements the drivers who did not win with him: Leclerc, Norris, etc.
It's nice to see everyone talking, writing about Max, and Lewis is relegated to the background. The whole house of cards collapses. So I believe Lewis will leave after 2023. There are two options, he will get the dominant car and win the 8th title. The second option is to lose to Max again and his psyche will not survive another defeat, so he will also go away.
You will remember my words
Well that's how you started. I'm not about to have a normal argument or discussion with someone who wants to fool around and be a troll.
If you want a normal discussion with me, try starting one.
Any insult coming your way is usually in retaliation to one you've thrown out. Have you suddenly forgotten all the things you said first? That I was mentally ill, insane, se*ually attracted to Lewis.
And yet you think I'm losing an argument because you get insulted back?
Get real son.
"You're really showing here that you can't win an argument."
How am I showing that? Which argument did I lose? Which on did you win?
Why is this a game for you about winners and losers?
Why are you so shallow and superficial when it comes to how Lewis dresses?
What is your argument?
I don't care that you feel bad. If you troll and you insult me, you'll get what you deserve.
Don't talk to me about sophisticated discussion about F1 until you have demonstrated that you are capable of having one. So far you have not done that. You're more focused on people and denigrating them than you are interested in F1 discussion.
I don't mind lowering myself to reach you level. The thing is, to get to that level you don't need to lower yourself at all because... well, that's your level.
You need to raise yours.
Let's see you do it. Discuss F1 like a normal person if you can. Prove me wrong.
You're such a silly billy. Can't come with normal arguments so you just lower yourself to insults.
You're really showing here that you can't win an argument.
Throwing insults and trying to make others feel bad instead of having a sophisticated discussion about F1.
Anyone who mentions about having the last word, means THEY want the last word. 100% of the time.
The last word isn't even a thing I think about, so why is it important to you?
Is this why you're following me around like a bad smell? So you can have the last word??
Ok, just reply with the word 'Umbrella" and I won't respond. Then you got your last word and you can be happy.
I just say whatever, knowing you have to have the last word anyway showing you are winning a discussion.
You're not making any sense at all now.
You're patting yourself on the back constantly for your own made up reasons. That's just your own insecurity.
Yet, you never actually said anything.
Either way, I wouldn't call myself unpredictable.
But there are no medals being given out here. You don't win anything. You can't even win an argument!
Find another way to stroke your ego.
Aah, copying my comments to you now eh?
This is what I've reduced you too?
A needy troll desperate for attention and cannot stand having his shallow opinions challenged by people more rational than him.
The only help I need here is from a moderator to delete the last 5 posts you made so that there's less pollution on this blog.
You're losing it now :)
your comments always put a smile on my face, but this time you outdid yourself xD
I don't know which is funnier, you pretending that you are able to talk on the basis of facts, evidence and objectively looking at f1, or maybe you who are trying to praise what you do in life, and let's be honest, you don't even think for yourself. You repeat what Toto and Lewis will say xD and I still consider how "you don't think Max is a champion" - believe what you want, who cares about your imaginary world xD I have a hard choice!
btw. I do not consider you a troll, because that would mean that you realize what the truth is and only deliberately reject it. You just really believe in it xD which is probably the funniest thing in all of this!
44 - 7.... You're mad. Seriously mad.
Do yourself a favour and leave this place.
Petty, shallow, ignorant crap.
You're off the rails man.
Seek help.
If you want to prove anything to me, then you will indeed need proof.
I don't care that you're offended. Be offended. Nothing happens.
Your initial post here about Lewis was all your opinion. Nothing to back it up with. Just your biased opinion against Lewis.
It's up to you to back up those claims. I don't need to provide anything other than my opinion at that point.
I don't have Lewis as 8 time champion. Morally he is but I don't see him that way.
Max is the title holder (I don't label him as 'champion' for 2021).
But he is that only because his team influenced Masi into breaking the sporting regulations twice to enable it.
What lies am I repeating? Let me know so we can analyse them. Something tells me you're not willing to back up your BS claims.
People clearly care. I have amassed over 600 likes in 3 days.
As for what I write in other places on the Internet, well you obviously have no clue about that.
I am a content creator with a successful YouTube channel (and no, you'll never know what that is). Actually I have two channels but don't post often to the other one. I have an amazing crowd that send me gifts (computer hardware etc.). I'm well liked there and proud of that. My audience is an amazing bunch of people and my channel almost never gets troll comments. Maybe 3 or 4 in a year.
See, I'm actually a nice guy. But I'm also very good at trolling trolls and getting their backs up when it's deserved. It's worked with you too. I'm well practised.
If you're a civil person with the ability to discuss things with me like a normal person, I have no reason to troll you no matter who you support.
So if you think I'm anything less than that, then take a look at yourself. Because it's you who will have slipped up. You've either not been civil, respectful, honest or whatever else.
If I rebuke your opinions and you've posted them in a civil way, I'll respond in a civil way with my own thoughts.
If you've posted nonsense opinions in a troll-like manner, then you'll get a troll like response from me (which is what happened here).
For you to complain about how I'm posting to you, you must have not been such a nice person in the first place. So look at yourself before attacking me.
I don't have a group and to call us all 'losers' exemplifies what I've just said. You're a troll. And yet you complain at being treated like one.
Be nice and you'll get nice back.
It's simple.
You didn't write anything specific or any facts. You presented your opinion with which I totally disagree. You offend me and people who think similarly from simpletons.
My memory is perfect, and I don't need to search through the comments to prove something to you, because it doesn't make sense anyway. You have your opinion concreted.
I don't care if you have Max for the world champion or Lewis for the "8-time champions". You've imagined something in your head and this whole cult, and that's your business. I have to worry you, no matter how many times you repeat these lies, you won't take the title from Max, he won't care, and the only losers are you and your group, thinking that someone cares about what you say and write on the internet
You can claim no content if it suits you. To me that just means you don't or can't counter-point it.
What fact of yours did I ignore? Don't say I cannot answer, because I'm 100% sure I can.
Again your post is nothing but another character assassination to get you out of the actual discussion.
You have completely failed to address any of my points and questions and yet you think I'm doing that do you? Come on.
I don't care what you choose to believe.
If you have a problem with my comments, the idea is to debate them, not try to assess me negatively as a person.
What part of Max and Lewis do you want me to look objectively at?
And when he won in Japan, I did post some complimentary things about him. And I said that I now finally see him as a 'champion'.
Now I don't have to explain myself to you but I just wanted to show you how wrong your claims are.
Bring facts! Where are your facts??
So far I only seen opinion and conjecture about Lewis. You have no facts in that post of your. None.
Even you claimed it was your 'opinion'.
So argue honestly or not at all. Don't whinge when I don't agree with your biased anti-Lewis opinions.
we have discussed here more than once. Each time you write a lot, but no content. To the facts on my part, you cannot answer, you only choose what suits you, you ignore inconvenient facts.
Your comments are based on half-truths, speculations, manipulations, maybe you believe it, I don't know, I don't care:)
What you are doing now is called the mirror effect in psychology. You are projecting your behavior onto me. You can't separate your feelings and emotions from looking objectively at Lewis and Max, but that doesn't mean others are.
So let me write again, talking to you on the basis of facts is pointless, you ignore them anyway, you choose the way of manipulation and lies, and this type of conversation is funny for a few comments, not for longer.
This isn't about what I want to see. It's YOU who are claiming to know what other people 'really feel'. I have made no such claims.
Your assumptions about Hamilton are based on what you personally feel about him. You have no credentials to properly analyse a persons behaviour or words.
You read into someone what you want to read.
You see what you want to see.
And you make it fit your already formed assessment of him.
That's all your opinion is.
And yes that's all it is, an opinion. I'm not questioning your right to it, I'm just taking issue with what it is because you really cannot know what anyone 'really feels'.
Why is my reality imaginary and yours isn't?
Again, this is you who is speculating, assuming and guessing based on your pre-formed biases.
Where is your expertise in this area?
Claiming 'your don't have to be Einstein' doesn't make you right.
And I didn't insult you. I made a statement about trolls and haters. Your post suggested that you fit one or both of those categories.
The fact that you see what you want to see, do not admit the facts is your problem.
Even a average intelligent person, after listening to a few of his interviews, will notice how he tries to manipulate, how he lies.
You don't have to be Einstein to notice that words about respect, tolerance are just empty phrases spoken for his needs.
You can insult me, I don't care. His deeds, his words speak for me.
This is my opinion and I have a right to it, and you can live in your imaginary reality, I don't care : )
In my opinion it doesn't rule out non hypocrisy,
Try again mate.
my opinion is that I consider Lewis a hypocrite
But the fact is, self-control does not rule out hypocrisy ;)
try harder, maybe next time : )
Doesn't rule out that its not mate, let's be fair in the assessment ? its your biased opinion not so.
buddy, self-control doesn't rule out hypocrisy.
you are funny in your rehearsals, and it comes out as always
Had to clear that up mate : )
F1 is not really meaningful is it. Just entertainment, like reading your stories about words i used in the comments section of an internet blog.
Your home is where your heart is.
In lewis his case probably LA or something, not too far away from Bieber and other glorified posers their backyards.
"Ok Mister Lewis 'Bieber' Hamilton fan."
Nonsensical, childish babble.
I very often bite at trolls. It's all deliberate and voluntary.
If you don't care less about F1, then why did you show up here on an F1 blog? Just to be a nuisance to others?
I don't think it's a case of 'Why would I want to debate that nonsense', but more a case of "Sorry, I'm not capable of debating on any meaningful level so I'll just sit here and troll if that's ok."
Lewis is British not American and I don't have idols in F1. Never have. And if I did, it would be Senna.
Ok Mister Lewis 'Bieber' Hamilton fan. I get it. I'm a troll and you are biting my bait. How stupid of you.
I couldn't care less about that americanized reality tv show they call F1 now! Why would i want to debate that nonsense.
That your american idol is loving it i can understand.
"Having fun"? I'm not here for fun. If that's your goal, you're in the wrong place. Try TikTok or whatever other social media the mindless youth take to these days.
I'm not telling myself I won anything. I don't keep score.
But I am pointing out that you're losing your side of whatever argument you think you're having by attacking me instead of what I post.
Maybe I'm giving you a chance to correct that and bring it back.
However, you failed to to that.
Your comments about me at straight out of the troll's play book. So why should I look at them with any value?
What floats my boat is people taking part in Formula 1 discussions and debates.
What doesn't float my boat are trolls who are, for whatever reason, completely incapable of taking part in discussions and debates and instead devolve things into trolling and attacking people rather than their comments.
What you're ok with, doesn't matter to me.
You're repeating yourself with so many words, people stop having fun with you. Then you feed your ego telling yourself you won some silly nothing discussion only yourself seem to care about.
I'm ok with it. Whatever floats your boat.
Ok so because I think you're shallow for judging people by what they wear, then I'm the one who is mentally ill and insane.
Is that what you're saying?
I think you know that's not true. You're showing yourself to be nothing but yet another troll on this blog. And one that has a screw loose.
You are losing your argument and this is your defence. Attacking the person who you're losing against because you have nothing with which to attack the argument.
You failed to answer my question. I didn't ask for definitions, I asked you to provide examples to back up your idiot claim that I'm crazy mad.
You can't do that can you? Even you must know you're full of crap.
So, to summarise do I understand that you think I'm mentally ill or insane and have amorous or homos*xual tendencies towards Lewis Hamilton because I called you out on your shallow, superficial BS and defend the nonsense other trolls speak about him, or Mercedes that is blatantly untrue?
Is this where you're at? I just want to know so that I know what my next action is going to be. So be clear with your answer as it might be your last one.
"In what way have I ever displayed 'crazy mad'?"
MAD
1.
BRITISH
mentally ill; insane.
2.
INFORMAL
very enthusiastic about someone or something.
Just pick one, they both apply.
Definition 1.
The amount of discussion about something or someone just to "prove" his comments are incorrect or unfair. Up to the point they get tired of you and than start claiming you won a discussion about nothing. That's mad!
Definition 2.
No explanation needed. You know....
I think you're a weirdo for thinking that.
In what way have I ever displayed 'crazy mad'? The vasy majority of my posts here are not even in defence of Lewis. They are directed at Red Bull. I've barely discussed Lewis this season.
But if you come out with BS or ignorant nonsense, then I'm going to call you out on it.
So don't some it with this babble about me being crazy or having 'certain feelings' for Lewis just to try and win a point.
You're embarrassing yourself.
You're philistine view on fashion might be leading to a phobia on your side. 'Clown clothes'? Why do you care what he wears?
What do you think about men who wear women's clothes and want to be called 'She/Her' ?
Are you phobic regarding something about Lewis?
Wearing clothes is not a behaviour, it's an expression.
Attacking you for your ignorance, shallowness and superficial thoughts is not a sign that I have 'certain feelings'.
It's a sign that I have no tolerance for people like you with your prejudiced bullcrap.
Not just you eh? Are you trying to justify yourself?
Do you think that just because other superficial, shallow people think like you do, that it makes it ok?
And you think I'm going too far. Do yourself a favour and leave this place.
If this is all you have to bring to the table then you're in for a hard time.
Petty, shallow, ignorant crap.
There's bigger things happening in F1 than what Lewis wears or talk about your boy Bieber.
You're off the rails man.
You're going too far. That's why i think you have certain feelings for Lewis. What else can i think? You get so crazy mad at someone for disliking your precious Lewis. It's madness!
You mention dislike for bieber his behaviour.
But tell me, walking into the paddock without shirt or in clown clothes, does not count as showing a certain behaviour? It's behaviour disliked by many, not just me.
I'm not judging you for who you dislike. Only the reasons you have for it.
Your reasons don't even count for anything.
If you're going to dislike someone, at least make it for something meaningful.
But for the clothes they wear? That's like not liking their skin colour, or their hairstyle or perhaps how their voice sounds.
It's just as shallow.
Yeah I can talk down Bieber because a) I'm an adult and I think his music sucks and b) I've seen how he behaves (or used to).
I judge him on his behaviour not his music. I just don't like his music and nor do I have to.
See how you're losing the argument now?
"Your imaginary boyfriend" is just you knowing that you've been out-argued here.
So now you're resorting to childish insults.
You can mention what you want. I've not stopped you. I'm simply pointing out that your stated reasons for not liking him are superficial and shallow. You can still carry on not liking him and I'll still carry on having the same opinion about your reasons.
I couldn't give 2 craps about Bieber. You brought the brat up, not me. The sooner he goes away in this conversation, the better.
No-one is asking or needing you to be in love with anyone.
Don't descend onto the path of the common troll as many have done before you. You've been doing ok up until you mentioned this about Lewis.
Why is it ok for you to judge me about who i dislike and for what reason.
And then the way you talk down on Bieber is fine? You can dislike Bieber for your reasons? That's all fine and fair?
Your imaginary boyfriend Lewis is in my eyes a gigantic joke. But i can not mention it.
You just go ahead talking bad about Bieber, i don't care, I'm not in love with Bieber or Lewis.
OK so it doesn't do it for you. So what? Why would you even judge someone on the clothes they wear?
This 'pretending to be a saint' claim is all in your head.
Just this season, when Lewis has messed up on track, he's taken the blame and apologised.
Does Max ever do that? Nah, he's probably whine on the radio calling another driver an idiot.
If you're going to make claims like that, best not to conjure them up out of thin air as they mean nothing on their own.
"I'm just saying that Justin Bieber is doing a better job being what Lewis is trying to be"
And what is Lewis trying to be? A young pop star?
Is Bieber doing better than Lewis at driving in motorsport and being a multiple world champion?
Is he doing better than Lewis with things like Mission44?
No, Bieber is too busy mouthing off people while his bodyguards are around him.
Not to mention his music sucks.
WTH has sharing a podium got to do with Bieber? This whole Bieber thing you're going off on is bizarre.
Any famous pop start could have taken Biebers place and it would have been the same.
Doesn't make them better. You're turning this into a popularity contest and putting pop stars who have screaming crying girls at their feet against F1 racing drivers who don't.
Ok let's pick another pop star... I dunno... Billie Eilish.
She brings Max Verstappen up on stage. What do you think the response is? 95% the crowd won't know who the heck he is.
I dunno what silly point you're trying to make here but it's one of the most bizarre things I've commented on.
Firstly start to dress and act like a playboy and than pretend to be a saint!? It's just not doing it for me, man.
I'm just saying that Justin Bieber is doing a better job being what Lewis is trying to be. That doesn't mean Lewis is not just as well a stuck up twerp.
They can shake hands on that, and they did!
Do you really think Lewis would have shared his podium champagne with Bieber, if Bieber wasn't the kind of twerp that Lewis is looking up to!?
Bieber outshined Lewis on his own ground!
Lewis would have kept his dignity if he stuck with his racing roots during the podium celebrations, instead of trying to enter Bieber his world and ride his wave. ?
You sound very superficial and shallow with those reasons, as stupid as they all are.
What about Mission44 and all his charity work? You don't account for any good stuff do you? Just make up this laughable, false rubbish then compare him to that.
Justin Bieber (who is a stuck up twerp) will never be as talented as Lewis behind the wheel of a car. And so what?
It's laughable enough that you have very silly reasons for your dislike of Lewis but to put Bieber as some sort of yardstick..... Well there goes the credibility.
I'm sorry if I offended you. My message was about me disliking Lewis for suddenly trying to become an american idol and acting according to well known american sub-culture. I will rephrase so you might not feel upset: I lost all respect for Lewis after he start acting like he's justin bieber. And I think it's safe to say, that no matter how hard he'll try, he is never going to match justin bieber's talent or popularity! I look at him and feel this might hurt him more than losing a world championship. He's trying so hard, i almost feel sad for him.
Birds of a feather and all that ......off course you didn't.
And I reported your comment as I find that you are whining over normal facts. There is nothing offensive in Thepphavong his comment.
Unfortunate to see my comments removed but the above race baiting comment towards a black person remains.
I hope you're right. The way he dress himself before he walk into the paddock is making me sick. Full of jewelery on the drivers parade. Looks like an insecure poser, trying to belong and be liked by the people he look up to. (I'm guessing american a-list celebrities). Since he finished reading his 'become an afro-american for dummies' guide, i lost all respect for him.
"Hamilton never really says what he really feels. That is why many people call him a hypocrite."
No thats called "self control"
Had to clear that up mate
No, your words will be forgotten very quickly as it's a load of assumptive, prejudiced horse manure.
"Hamilton never really says what he really feels. That is why many people call him a hypocrite."
How could you or anyone else know what someone else 'really feels' ?? You can't. You assume you know what I really feel and you don't and that I can guarantee.
So you've no chance with someone on the TV.
People call him a hypocrite (amongst all the other things) because they have dislike from him stemming from their 'us vs them' simpleton mentality and for whatever other personal reasons they have to dislike him.
It's a scourge on this blog and a trend to rag on Lewis. It's all people have as part of their empty lives on here.
Most of them are clueless and insults are not designed to be truthful, just hurtful or to pee of someone else.
Trolls will troll and haters will hate. That's all this is, so don't try to script this as though it's a load of thoughtful, reasoned people with accurate assessments of a person.
Its called self-control or emotional intelligence. But I guess you're a kind reader ?
Its just assumptions on your part, judgmental biased opinions, lets be honest mate.
Yes, i guess it is. It's just so that you can look right through it.
Psychiatrist now are you?
Keep staring at your Bieber poster and think happy thoughts.
LOL.
Your 'Afro-American' usage was offensive in the context that you used it. Do you know how many black people in the US are NOT Afro-American?
The human race started in Africa so we all have black ancestors (fun fact).
But a lof of black people are not recently generationally African who have come to America.
Probably best for you to steer away from matters concerning race.
Your comment doesn't need to be directed at me for me to have the right to respond.
Nothing in any of your comments (and I read them all properly as I always do), would prove that you don't have a Justin Bieber poster (or posters).
But you did bring him up and because of your se*ual suggestions aimed at me, I popped a much milder and less direct one back at you.
Do you even realize i only replaced the term afro-american with justin bieber, in an attempt to get out my word to am17g10 without offending him?
It wasn't directed to you to start with, and if you would read my comments properly you'd know i don't have a bieber poster.
(Replying to rport's comments above) ....... Oh dont forget Charles, George, Lando and probably Oscar as well by next year ......
So when Lewis was beating Max , by your anology, Lewis was the better driver, and that period was about 7 years .Thus Lewis on that average is still the better driver .
Based on your analogy mate.
What so unfortunate??
Lewis has had his success and naturally every athlete’s time is limited in a given sport….Max and any other who comes after him will have to encounter the same.
