Vettel appeals to Horner and Red Bull: 'More transparency needed'
After a long time in the background, Sebastian Vettel is suddenly in the spotlight. His test in a Porsche hypercar at least suggests that the four-time F1 champion is serious about a comeback. Whether that involves a permanent seat in Formula 1 remains to be seen. In any case, the German is keeping a close eye on the sport's operations.
Needless to say, the internal turmoil at Red Bull Racing has not passed Vettel by either, with the saga surrounding team boss Christian Horner being the most prominent. "Of course I still know the team, Christian [Horner] and Dr Marko very well, also from my time there," the German told Germany's branch of Sky Sports.
"But it is very difficult for me to have an opinion because you don't know what happened and what didn't happen. I think people would like a bit more transparency in this respect, but I hope with time this will all be clarified," Vettel said.
Vettel wants transparency in the sport
Transparency is the magic word here. In fact, Vettel says it is the big theme of the current times, something that goes beyond Formula 1. "I believe that processes can become visible, provided people dare to take certain steps. I think from the principle that you have nothing to hide, you should not shy away from transparency. This applies to sport in general. I think many viewers would be interested in this. But if the information were accessible, many questions could be answered on their own."
Perhaps Horner's case will soon be more transparent, as the woman who accused him of inappropriate behaviour has appealed against a decision to clear the team boss. A complaint has also been lodged with the FIA's ethics committee against Horner.
I see the circus is alive and well...
Vettel, in clown mode, maybe your bees know something nobody else does?
the only reason he is back to printed gibberish is F1 is heading to the track with those bees he put on display.
newsflash for Vettel...
a little more transparency? I don't think captian yellow jacket understands that transparency will mean everything exposed. As in who the accuser is and exactly what transpired. Someone at RBR...with all the world looking on...deemed it proper to actually suspend and or dismiss the accuser from further employment at RBR.
Now in this day and age where women are ultra protected RBR uncovered something(s), behavior perhaps, that was detrimental to the team.
In other words, again with the whole world watching, she was stirring up trouble? dishonest? playing games?
Who knows but you can bet this...
I won't lose an ounce of sleep over exactly why RBR chose to dismiss her and I don't care. They investigated it.
Moving right along.
Good day
I have respectful ask ,what the point of you post was, cause i have no idea what your talking about .
I understand you clearly dislike Vettel and you dislike the women that has accused Horner of inappropriate behaviour.
Is that correct?
Why is everyone expecting anything from Redbull?? It is their internal matter. They will deal with it ffs.
I agree with Vettle on this : " I think from the principle that you have nothing to hide, you should not shy away from transparency."
Here is why :
Fresh of the press, the transparency that was not given, was simply because the process was highly compromised.
Formula Passion. Some quotes translated:
“Obviously the lawyer was not independent, but he carried out their instructions. How do I know? I was told he is their lawyer...". Everyone knows, no one can talk Business F1 Magazine therefore investigated the tip-off, revealing the name of the lawyer in question and his law firm. This is an over 70 yo person with great experience in business matters, therefore mergers, acquisitions, insolvencies and disputes.
The peculiarity is that "he is the legal representative and London lawyer of the Yoovidhya family, 51% owners of Red Bull". And his studio “makes no secret of working for Yoovidhya“. Î
And this aspect casts great shadows on the independence of the lawyer and the overall management of the accusations.
This is a matter well known to all the top management of the company and the F1 team (the CEOs Watzlawick, Kirchmayr and Mintzlaff, Max and Jos Verstappen, Marko and Newey), who cannot expose themselves publicly as Yoovidhya is, for all intents and purposes , their employer.
Business F1 Magazine also alleged that the lawyer had been mandated by Yoovidhya to prepare a report clearing Christian Horner of all charges. In fact, the report of around 200 pages contained only a minimal part of the employee's complaints and magnified the results achieved by the team principal at the helm of Red Bull Racing.
Finally, the magazine listed the lawyers who are assisting Christian Horner: among them is the firm with the name
of the 'independent' lawyer......
The 'independent' lawyer who acquitted Horner is Yoovidhya's London lawyer.
Peter Blake-Turner
Vegan so can we have transparency into how toto got inside info on teams that broke cost cap how he got info on new floor stay .and transparency into his wife case against the fia
The FIA , before the Canadian GP, and the TP updates on details related to teams.
Are you making accusations Mavric, that have already been debunked.
If there was any issue a teams would have lodged a complaint with the FIA, where there official complaints lodged?
Vegan merc did not run the extra floor stay because other teams wear going lobby it toto got inside information with the extra floor stay and teams that went over buget .and that was befor the fia said about what team it was vegan
If thats what you want to belive ,Mavric then you're got my vote. I have asked for the Team principal quotes and the FIA complaints and explained that the part was made over night , but alas you're under the impression that Mercedes was doing something wrong and thats your belief I can't disagree with your understanding even if it is ridiculous.
Veagan other teams said how could merc hsve the part befor any other team new about it and they used it in fp1 and took it off becouse other teams wear going ask the fia .
Thats your theory or is there any quotes from any of the team principles that back up your claim?
The Mercedes floor stay was machined over night from the spare part they carry, it was simple rod that was fixed to the floor and when you looked at the installation it looked like it was done over night . Mercedes ran the stay in first practice and the data showed that it made no positive impact on the porpoising and floor flex and was abandoned hence other teams didn't use the second stay as well.
But you belive what you want mavric .
"Are you making accusations Mavric, that have already been debunked"
hhmm..sounds familiar..
kind of like you, Vegan, when you insist there is more to something that has already been "debunked", investigated, etc
Imagine that
Whats been debunked or investigated that you're speaking of:
I look forward to your detailed response ?
I'm sure Vettel has plenty to 'hide' himself, when it comes to private matters that have nothing to do with racing.
Companies have to adhere to employment laws. Hiring a lawyer to judge this case doesn't change that. Red Bull doesn't control the laws and the press of Austria and the rest of the world. The woman can appeal, sue, go to the police or go to the press.
She doesn't seem to be in a hurry to do much of that. She was alledged to come out with a statement 'next week', but that was three weeks ago, now.
Seems like both parties would rather keep this private matter private, after all.
If 'transparancy' ever happens, I wouldn't be surprised if it would mostly just turn into a massive embarrassment for everyone involved... including for those that were asking for it.
The complainant has lodged an appeal with RB, and that's the reason all is quiet. The appeal should have an outcome soon. If, at that point, the complainant is unhappy with the outcome, it's been reported that the complainant will be heading to a tribunal, and at that point, the public will have access to all the case details and outcomes.
"and at that point, the public will have access to all the case details and outcomes."
Nope. The public will only have one version to which they can only assume
Sure it's possible.
I think Toto is a weasel....but..
BUT...
Just like Toto getting secret floor information ahead of everyone else. Toto getting leaked info about financial reports of RBR that were supposed to be confidential.
Was he guilty? Was he innocent? They looked into whatever happened and found nothing to be there. Regardless how it might look I just say ok..and move on.
RBR looked into this matter and found CH to have done nothing wrong.
Now whether you like Horner or not it's what they found and the conclusion there of.
If we're to accept the findings on Toto then there's no reason you can't do the same with Horner.
I don't like Toto but I accept what they found in their investigation.
Trust me when I tell you the sooner you simply accept what RBR found and move on you'll be much happier for it.
No matter how much you're clinging to Dubai 2021 the results will never be changed. Max Verstappen is the champion and that's that.
Quit allowing that finale of 2021 to distort logical thinking.
Okay:
I know your ill hatred toward Horner can't possibly believe he is innocent but you need to accept the fact it's "possible" he truly did no wrong.
Will you accept that he possibly did do wrong ?
Stop being such a busy body.
Let's just spit ball a moment. (Hard for you as you want nothing but fire and brimstone to rain down on Horner)
Let's hypothesize a moment.
Woman tells her side of the story. Horner, lawyer, RBR, are not saying anything out of compassion for the accuser.
What would I possibly mean?
The real story with evidence shows this woman, without a hidden identity mind you, as someone who is absolutely loco. Crazy at best, deranged at worst.
Clearly showing she's a trouble maker, perhaps a liar, ....etc. and an overall detriment to the collective good of the team.
So what now?
She and her reputation are dragged through mud. The mysterious identity is now revealed.
That will essentially ruin her life going forward.
Perhaps she made a mistake. Maybe she got bad advice from someone and was led down the wrong path on this?
Remember...RBR deemed it appropriate to suspend her from employment/involvement with the team.
With all the world watching they not only said there is ultimately nothing here but suspended/dismissed her.
If Horner did something criminal it would already be known. He'd have been arrested, etc.
So just to appease the busy bodies like yourself and irrelevant onlookers like Vettel and his bees, this woman's life is ruined all in the name of ultimate transparency.
Is that what you want?
Are you fine with that?
That's exactly what "could" happen as it very well could be possible that Horner truly did nothing wrong.
I know your ill hatred toward Horner can't possibly believe he is innocent but you need to accept the fact it's "possible" he truly did no wrong.
Uhh....
The version with only the woman's side of the story.
For some...like yourself it appears....are so fixated on this nonsense and would be perfectly satisfied with just that half of the story.
I get the impression you're only interested in partial "transparency" provided it paints Horner in a derogatory light.
Your fixation on this is very telling. As in you most definitely could use more life and less inTRAnet
So absolutely no need to get anyone involved who's business it isn't.
If the lawyer is worth his salt (regardless of who appointed him) and Red Bull was wise enough to follow his recommendations, she's won't have much of a case.
If not.. well, time will tell, I guess.
Well, if that's the case and it has indeed had it's influence on their decision regarding Horner, I'm sure that would help her a whole of a lot in front of that tribunal.
So we will see.
Until that happens, I can't really be bothered any more with any of this, to be honest.
I am not comfortable with Redbull saying that the, Lawyer was independent when he was not.
"The peculiarity is that "he is the legal representative and London lawyer of the Yoovidhya family, 51% owners of Red Bull". And his studio “makes no secret of working for Yoovidhya“. Î
And this aspect casts great shadows on the independence of the lawyer and the overall management of the accusations."
He in my view could not be impartial as he works for Yoovidhya, who does not want Horner gone .
Ne way , we see how this plays out , but the details of the fiasco is slowly coming to light .
Speaking about transparancy, i responded to a number of articles asking you the user Vegan Warrior to explain where you got the claims you made from, in some cases you provided said sources but in most cases you didn't.
If you are so much for transparancy please go back trough all those topics and provide me with said evidence, but considering the weeks that have been passed we can't be sure you really had that evidence or cherry picked it afterwards. so your chances to be transparent have proven to be futile.
Which lead to the main question, if you expect others to be transparent why do you fail to be that yourself?
You haven't , post evidence of your logical a respectful posts that asked for clarification on my posts
If you support Horner and his alleged behaviour then that's your choice, I post information from reports and articles.
If you need a source ask, or Google, its simple Peppermint
I never stated that i supported Horner, that's a first. Second yes i known google, the point it you made a lot of claims that don't appear on google so that why i asked you in those topics directly where you got it from and you didn't respond, afterwards talking about logical and respectful isn't very transparent, transparency is done without considering of the attitude of whoever. Having said that i haven't been disrespectful to you at all. and no i'm not gonna scrol back and list all those times you ignored my and other reasonable requests
I have answered every one claim question I have received. If I haven't, like you claimed, then for your statement to be true you need to provide proof. If there's none then you're talking untruths.
Just to be clear ?
And still you have zero compassion for the families of those involved. Why do you insist on posting the same vitriolic BS daily. Do you get a kick from seeing others hurt? Does it make you feel better because it happened to you?
The woman who complained about Red Bull team principal Christian Horner's behavior is "very upset, angry, scared, intimidated, and lonely," a family friend told BBC Sport.
"She struggles to understand" how Red Bull dismissed the complaint following an investigation, the friend added.
"It's impossible for people to understand what it's like for her," said the friend, who was talking to BBC Sport exclusively and on condition of anonymity. "She can't talk and she won't talk.
"But I can tell you what it is doing to her. Every time I have asked her something, she breaks down in tears and says she's got no-one to talk to because she's not allowed to talk.
"She is very upset, very angry, very scared, very intimidated, very lonely. And I think it's impossible for people to understand without being in her shoes what it's like for her."
"We can all read the WhatsApps and anybody can come to their own conclusion whether that was an appropriate relationship between a CEO and a PA.
"I do feel like you had some people who feel it takes two to tango, but that's unfair. That is trying to divert. The issue here is, should Christian have done what he did as a CEO?"
Horner did this to his family his kids his wife and his employee.
Repeating the same rhetoric doesn't make it any more true. Despite what anyone thinks, it has not been confirmed any WhatsApp messages were real and we still don't know what is true and what isn't. Keep up the bad work.
These been many CEOs that have also committed wrongdoings, for every defense there's an opposite.
From we have seen there's been messaging between the complainant and himself, we don't know if there's more messages, but from what we did read . You can't say that he as the father of those kids was acting in there best interests.
He surly knew if those messages got out, he would invite a storm that would impact his family.
Unfortunately the messages where leaked and both sides say they didn't do it , so privacy is not an option .
But there would not be anything to leak if he has considered his actions and his family.
No. If you think Horner is the only CEO being accused of anything by his secretary then something is seriously wrong with you. I don't see you and the other Hamilton fans making a fuss about how bad they are and wanting them dragged through the public domain. Both him and the women are entitled to the privacy they have asked for. If you Hamilton fans didn't keep making such a fuss the journalists would lose interest.
Don't you think that the father of those kids should have considered his kids before putting them in this situation.
I think about my family, and how my bad decisions impact on them all the time. Thus i try my best never to make those bad/wrong choices.
She doesn't have kids who will be getting bullied for all the reports of what a bad daddy they have. Let that sink in when you think about your grandchild
Your tendency to react than to converse is becoming a habit with you. You said that the lady doesn't have a family and I disagree, simply pointing out that , there's people thats getting hurt on her side as well. But like you said Swoosh......
Everyone has a family, you understand that right.
Family encompasses a broader network, including parents, children, siblings, and sometimes extended relatives, sharing close bonds and mutual support.
You're saying that her parents brother, sister are not family, thats rather insensitive.
Only one has a family. The other doesn't have a husband or kids. Does it take you long to think up these questions?
Only one family matters to you ? Remember Horner put his family is the position they find themselves, or do you disagree
Again with the Dear Abby stuff.
If the accuser is so upset and feels so wronged by RBR of the findings and her DISMISSAL, you better believe she'd be out in front of every camera she can find.
Matter of fact I GUARANTEE you there are cameras asking every single day for a video interview.
Yet what do we have?
Nothing. Just click bait rhetoric to stir the hornet nest like yourself.
Just think about that.
"very upset, angry, scared, intimidated, and lonely,"
Really? Find a camera and lay it all out if you were so wronged. It won't be hard.
"She can't talk and she won't talk"
Really? Why? She's no longer with RBR. She wants justice be damned. Right?
Then go ahead and find a camera and tell the whole world "your half of the story"
Might there just be some damning evidence against her? If she shows who she is and tells all to satisfy those like Vegan...RBR will have to respond.
They didn't fire or suspend her for no reason.
The post was from a BBC sport article, the friend simply communicated about the complainant. This was not the complainant saying any of this, both Horner and the complainant have a NDA. The appeal will run its course and hopefully the public tribunal will follow.
I don't trust big corporations, from experience, they will do whatever it takes to protect their bottom line, so I don't disagree with your assertions, but I am rather skeptical that RB is looking out for anyone else's interest than their own.
