Villeneuve: ''Emotional' Hamilton may struggle at Ferrari'

Lol.... By the time we get racing again the RB20 will be F2 level..... Untill Max wins that is, then he'll be able to come on gushing and say how amazing he is!.... You can see it a mile off. : )

Oh yeah. It's the usual rhetoric. See Max finish 4th, label the car 4th fastest. :)
See him win, its the 3rd or 2nd fastest. :)

I've actually read messages from RB fans saying the RB18 was not the fastest car in 2022 despite that it took 17 victories, Perez finishing 3rd in the championship (not bad for an average underperforming driver) and secured both titles.
But nope... apparently Ferrari (with 4 wins) got the ground effects rules sorted, better than Newey who is the ground effects guru. :)
Right now Red Bull is as fast as McLaren.
But the narrative is, not to paint the RB as the fastest car (except in 2023 where fans literally had no choice, because to state anything else was pure lunacy), then when Max takes pole and/or wins, they can say 'Max made the difference'. We've been listening to this story for years.

To even suggest Red Bull is 4th fastest, is just embarrassing.
But ok, which are the 3 teams that are quicker?
McLaren, Mercedes and.... what? Ferrari ???

I mean how clueless does one have to be?
No, it's all to give false glorification to Max so that he isn't seen as losing in a better car than anyone who beats him.

And Max is 'still leading' because he won 7 out of the first 10 races, and then Mclaren, followed by Mercedes, caught up. Since then Max has been 5th, 2nd, 5th, 4th.
McLaren and Mercedes drivers are trading wins, all 4 drivers with 1 win each, bar Hamilton who has 2 wins.
The RB20 hasn't so much lost pace, than the others have gained.
Just because Max has been outscored by Hamilton and Piastri in the last 4 races, does meant his car still isn't the fastest. Just the he' hasn't managed to win. But there is this assumption that Max will win if the car is even a tiny squeak quicker. That's not been the case.
Max, like any good driver, will win regularly in a car that is easily better than it's rivals. Such was the case in 2022 and 2023 (also the first half of 2024).

And the 'slower car in 2021' nonsense is just as bad.
Mercedes had a tiny top speed advantage in 2021. Red Bull always had the aero advantage and was more often than not, quicker over a given lap, depending on the circuit. More tracks suited the RB than the Mercedes, thanks to the FIA's 'lets slow Merc down' rule tweaks aimed to help higher rake cars.
Alseno's reality unfortunately doesn't match with that of the Universe, and his posts are merely attention seeking nonsense with the sole aim of 'all glory be to Max'. The value on such posts certainly isn't worth the time I gave it. But it's good to have fun with such posts sometimes :)

Aren't opinions wonderful :) You can have them and you don't even have to be right. 'too much' is subjective, especially when you are comparing to Max.
The only time Lewis has cried that I know of, was after winning the 2024 British GP.

Now that you've covered Max and Lewis, what are your opinions on the other 18 drivers?

This is why nobody takes you seriously. To say that's the only time you've heard Lewis cry shows you are just overly defensive of him and unwilling to admit to his faults. Unless you don't watch many races and that's just one of the few you managed to catch.

Both Lewis and Max leave a lot to be desired as far as their personalities are concerned. As people, I've never liked either of them. Both brilliant drivers though. And just because I don't like Max, it doesn't mean I can't admit he's the best driver in the field. Until he came along, that was Lewis and Fernando.

As for the other 18, I don't have the time to go through each one, but as it stands the six who I could actually be a fan of for the way they act both on and off the track, would be Charles, Carlos Alex, Lando, Oscar and Pierre.

If votes are all you care about then more power to you.
OK so you think I'm wrong. Cool. I'm happy with you thinking that.
This conversation has ran its course. Find someone to play with who has time for your inane rubbish.
I'm going to do something more interesting like watch a puddle evaporate.

Yes I'm sure it's been 3 years, check the Formula 1 website.

And wrong again, Senna would be the best ever.

The drivers and team principles take everything into consideration, including the car, that's why Sergio only got 10th place in the votes, so there goes your theory on that.

How did I mock you?

Are you sure it's been 3 years? Where is the evidence to support this? And there is a difference between best driver that season and best ever. Best ever, you will find Lewis wins out.
Max has performed the best over the last 2.5 years. So naturally the credit will go to him. It's normal. But Max's performances have heavily relied on the fact that Red Bull have had the far dominant car. This tends to factor into people's opinions about the driver.
You can't really gauge who is the best unless all drivers are in equal cars. And it's not like Red Bull give Max a competitive team mate. They give him a lacklustre one that makes him look good.

You can believe who you want and for whatever reasons you want. I will still be holding my opinion, for which I have good reasons for.
I'm not asking or requiring you to share my opinion or even agree with the reasons I have for that opinion.
But you should respect that I have the right to my opinion and for it to be different. You are no more guaranteed to be right than I am regardless of whoever's opinion you have chosen to form yours from.
Millions upon millions believe in a god. I don't. There is no evidence to support any such belief. It's all done on faith.
The point is that the amount of people who believe in a thing, regardless of how much of an expert they may be, doesn't make them any more correct.
In the UFC, the experts there can't even agree on who is the best pound for pound fighter. For me there is only one choice, yet whilst some experts share my opinion, other experts do not.
What guarantee is it that the majority of experts are right?
There isn't one.

'Best' is a subjective term. Simple as that. And if you're opinion is based solely on results, then I would question that methodology.
If Sergio was a half decent driver he'd have had 2nd place both in 2022 as well as 2023 in the championship. He was 3rd and 2nd in those years.
Is Perez the 2nd best driver in F1?

This is all puerile really. It's a very uninteresting topic. It's a 'my Dad can fight your Dad' debate and it really doesn't interest me. I don't care who you believe is the best and you shouldn't care who I think it is.

You can't say "I'm just saying". Because you weren't "just" saying.
You were mocking me because I didn't agree with you and these amazingly insightful drivers.
Almost every driver on the grid will believe he can beat Max in an equal car. Even Sergio.

You don't 'tell' me to disagree (the "go ahead and" is redundant - an Americanism that is also overused. No American do do something without 'going ahead and' doing it.)

I will chose to or chose not to disagree.

"You either agree with them or you don't. Why is that such a problem for you?"

Errr, what?? Are you serious? Why are you trying to twist this completely around and accuse me of doing something you did??
Disagreeing with the precious F1 drivers has not been a problem for me. I did it easily.
But when you saw that I did so, and disagreed with you too, you had the problem with it. You mocked me because of it.
I was fine with my opinion. You weren't. You're of the opinion that, in order for me to be correct, I should side with you and some drivers and team principals (who base their opinions on the results which the car and it's designer was a big part of).

"As for pointing out where you told me how to think, you literally said the following: "Form your own opinions instead of relying on others to do it for you.""

You said it was a compulsive need I had. From where do you get this claim? Telling someone to form their own opinions is not telling them what to think. It's what people should naturally be doing and it shouldn't even have to be said.
If you prefer to have your opinions formed by the opinions of others, then they're not really 'your' opinions are they?
You've just taken them on as your own.
It's not a bad thing to suggest that someone think for themselves and form their own opinions. That's good advice anytime.
Yet you seem to even object to that.
End of the day, you can opine whatever you want. You can be wrong too and be challenged on such opinions. But sure the freedom of what you opine and how you do it, is yours.

You stated that I told others 'what they should think'. I have no done this. I haven't told you to think another driver was the best.
Nor did I tell you how to think. I suggested that you should form your own opinions.
'Man enough' LOL. That you're a golfer, tells me a lot. Say no more.

For the past three years the drivers and team owners have officially voted Max as the best driver. All I'm saying is I agree with them, and I believe their opinions hold more weight than yours. That's my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that in my opinion, the actual F1 drivers and team bosses know more and are better qualified to judge who the best driver is than you and I.

And I'm also telling you to go ahead and disagree. You either agree with them or you don't. Why is that such a problem for you?

As for pointing out where you told me how to think, you literally said the following: "Form your own opinions instead of relying on others to do it for you."

Clear as day.

I need some new golf clubs, let's see if you're man enough to honor your word and send your email and the reward.

"Yes, until 2020 I agreed Lewis was the best driver. Until that point Max didn't have the experience or consistency to be better than Lewis."

And suddenly that changed as if by magic overnight. Max gained so much more experience in the winter break and consistency over the winter break, right?
Max only brought results when the car was capable of bringing them. In 2021 he fought dirty and unsporting when challenged.
In 2022 and 2023, he didn't have to fight and was unchallenged for the vast majority of those two years.
As the car was then doing most of the work, what is it you think I should be impressed about?

"I can't believe you're actually saying that most of the drivers still say that Lewis is the best!"

Recently (yast year I believe) drivers were asked who they thought the best ever was. Most said Lewis. What you can or can't believe is irrelevant.

"That's some serious denial right there, and if you're going to feign ignorance to that extent then all I'll say is that the official votes amongst the drivers and team bosses alike, prove you wrong."

Somehow I get the feeling that this isn't 'all you'll say'.
What am I in denial about? Are you saying that every person on Earth who doesn't agree with you that Max is the best, is wrong?
That's quite arrogant and equally dismissive.
What's so 'official' about the driver votes? The only thing they prove is that I have a different opinion to some of them.
If the vast majority of move goers (or let's say an official vote by notable movie critics) believe Shawshank Redemption to be the best move ever and also their favourite, but your favourite movie is Barbie. Are you wrong?

I don't rate Max as highly as many do and I have my reason for that which I believe are reasonable. Max hasn't reached the heights Lewis has. When Max is 39, he won't even be in F1, but if he was, he won't be at Lewis' level at 39.
Even at 39, Lewis has outscored Max in the last 4 races and won twice. Max has none. And this is the results we get when Max doesn't have his car advantage. He's lost 7 races this season.
Had Max not had his car advantage in 2022 and 2023 because of the ground effect rules, he would very likely not have the same things said of him as now. People see 19 wins in a season and put it all on Max without giving credit to how good the car was.

"I believe they know better than you. But hey, please feel free to disagree with that too!"

You can believe whatever you like, it's not remotely important to me. You form your opinions from the opinions of others and allow yourself to be controlled that way. I don't.
It's not about knowing better. It's about having different opinions for different reasons.
Again, take your opinion of your favourite movie. Is it right?
Yet so many people, average people and movie critics alike will disagree with you. Does that make your opinion wrong or of less value?
No. Because it's right for you. Your opinion can't be wrong because it's your opinion.

By what criteria are we establishing 'best' ? And who gets to decide this criteria? Is it race results? Points scored?
This is no measure of 'best'.
Perez was 2nd in the championship last season. Is he the 2nd best driver on the grid? Come on man, you need to think more critically. Max has had the best results. I can give you that.
Let's see what he's like when he has to fight against competition from other teams over the course of a season and if he can then win a title without his team needing to cheat for him.

"All I'm saying is that I trust their minds more than yours."

But I'm not asking you to trust my mind. I'm not asking you to agree with me. Have whatever opinion you want. I don't care about it.
But, I'm entitled to have my opinion without you resorting to mocking it because it's different and/or you don't understand why.

"Surely I'm allowed to choose who's opinions I trust?"

Did I say otherwise? If someone who I consider to be an expert in movies, has a favourite movie... am I to trust his opinion and make it my favourite movie? Sorry, but I like to think for myself and form my own opinions.

"What is this compulsive need of yours to tell others how or what they should think, especially with regards to F1?"

If you can point out anywhere, where I have done this, then do so.
Then I'll give you an email address where you can send me your bank account details and I'll deposit a fair sum in there as a reward.

I see your two personal attack emails are gone. Oops, sorry.

Yes, until 2020 I agreed Lewis was the best driver. Until that point Max didn't have the experience or consistency to be better than Lewis.

I can't believe you're actually saying that most of the drivers still say that Lewis is the best! ?????

That's some serious denial right there, and if you're going to feign ignorance to that extent then all I'll say is that the official votes amongst the drivers and team bosses alike, prove you wrong.

And again, I believe they know better than you. But hey, please feel free to disagree with that too! ???

Just to be clear, please continue to make up your own mind. The drivers and team bosses make up their own minds too. All I'm saying is that I trust their minds more than yours. Surely I'm allowed to choose who's opinions I trust? Again, we're talking about F1, not war. What is this compulsive need of yours to tell others how or what they should think, especially with regards to F1? ???

I don't care who you share you opinion with. When Lewis was dominating, all the drivers were saying the same about Lewis.
When all the drivers in 2020 were saying Lewis was the best, were you agreeing with that? Most drivers still rate Lewis as the best ever. Do you agree with that because apparently their opinion carries more weight.
There are drivers who can't even agree with each other. Then what?

Opinions from drivers are borne from the results of the driver and his car, not necessarily because they think he is the most skilled.
I doubt many of the drivers are given to critical thinking.
The more people who share the same belief, doesn't make it more correct or accurate.
Max has not shown himself to be the best in the last 4 races now that his car isn't in a position to dominate. And his frustration at that has shown. He has lashed out because his car isn't making him win. Something he clearly got used to. He's collided with two drivers in two races. Both because his wheel to wheel skills are lacking and weak.

You're basically telling me that your opinion on Max has been formed for you, by listening to what other driver have had to say.
You say you trust their opinion.
Well ok, do you let movie critics decide for you what you think the best movie is?
Who you think is the best shouldn't be based on the opinions of others. Maybe you're unsure and seek the security of others opinions. I dunno.

For me, I make up my own mind based on what I see.
I see a 7 times world champion with 105 wins 103 poles and over 200 podiums with a higher win ratio, who has taken 7 (morally 8) titles without breaking any rules.

On the other hand I see a driver who has 1 sham of a title that he never earned, 2 more that were achieved in a car that was so far clear of the competition, he had it easy. And a weak team-mate for all of those years and more. I see a driver who pushes others off track when challenged, collides with them using overaggressive manoeuvres, such is his weakness in wheel to wheel combat and his own insecurity in losing out.
I see a driver who is not in control of his emotions when things aren't going perfectly. One who has lashed out at other drivers with insults and even physical assault. He has even threatened journalists.
On track he has speed and consistency, a team totally around him and a car built around him, so good results are expected.
This on it's own doesn't make him 'the best' for me.
The only time he was challenged for a title was 2021 and he gave a bad account of himself and ended up taking a gifted, sham title because his team chose to cheat by using the FIA as a tool to break the rules to their advantage. He has 2 legit titles and they came without such competition.
So, what can we learn from this? That I'm not as easily impressed as you are.

Form your own opinions instead of relying on others to do it for you. The results don't tell the whole story.

"I'm not interested in attacking anything, the post, you, or your opinion."

If that was true, I would never have had any replies from you on this thread at all.

I don't need to be told to have my own opinion. I've been doing that all my life. It comes naturally.

Dude, I don't care whose opinion you want to cling on to and how valid you think yours is. Good for you.

It's not about whose opinions hold more weight. I don't care about that. It doesn't make them right. They don't get to decide for me who I think is the best. Only I do that. If you want to let others decide for you because it makes you feel more validated, then you do that.

You won't get me to change my opinion. So go away and feel that you're right and I'm wrong. Doesn't bother me. That's what opinions are all about.

We're done here.

I'm not interested in attacking anything, the post, you, or your opinion.

I'm literally saying please have your own opinion.

And I'll stick to my opinion that the opinions of the drivers and team principles carry more weight than yours. And considering I have the same opinion as theirs, so does mine, and anyone else who shares it.

Again, if you disagree and you don't think their opinions hold more weight than yours, then that's absolutely fine, no mocking at all.

It should be yes. In fact it's pretty much what I've said too.
But to be personally chastised, mocked or insulted because of one's opinion, isn't cool.
If you want to challenge my opinions and posts, please do.
But taking the piss out of me personally instead of doing that, isn't going to go well.
Attack the post, not the poster. That's the way it should be.

I am clearly saying that you should have your own opinion, and I'll have mine. That's the way it should be, correct?

And I'm not telling you to agree with mine. Just informing you that I disagree with your opinion, but this seems to be some sort of a problem for you. Not sure why.

"How does me saying that my dislike for Max doesn't mean I can't admit he's the best driver, relate to what you need to do? "

Because it's as if you're trying to say you're better than me.
I also dislike Max but I don't share the 'best' opinion so I therefore won't be admitting to that. It's as if you're moralising that you can dislike someone and still compliment them, and I can't.
But I don't NEED to compliment him, even though I have done.
And I certainly don't need to state that I think he's the best when I don't.

What's with all the 'why you so triggered' repetition? Is this to pushback because I've accused you of being triggered by my posts? Come on, you can do better than that.
Your opinions on Max or otherwise is meaningless to me.
Why do you think I would put any value on them to the point where I would remotely care what you think?
You can't tell someone to disagree (or agree).
Your problem is you failure in coping with differing opinions to your own. You've demonstrated that in this exchange which has been all about your disbelief that I don't agree with your statement that Max is the best.
Why do you even care? And please don't pretend you don't, because it's been the principal reason why you have been interacting with me. Along with trying to score points.

I really hope you don't debate F1 with me going forward because you have a very limited capacity for tolerance, understanding and reason. You don't question someone as to why they feel a certain way or why they have such an opinion. You're not open for a discussion on such things. You just take things as they are and either mock, disagree or troll if they don't align with your feelings and opinions.
Having an actual mature, civil debate with you doesn't seem like a possibility because of the reasons stated above and your dislike for me. All of which I'm fine with btw.

You done now, because this subject has no more miles left in it.

That was my point, you don't need to agree with my opinion. You're just stating the same thing I did. Please, disagree ?

How does me saying that my dislike for Max doesn't mean I can't admit he's the best driver, relate to what you need to do? I said I, because I was talking about me. Why so triggered by my my opinion? I'm literally telling you to disagree and have your own, while I have mine ?

3 replies now. It's becoming an addiction.

In those 3 posts, there were 12 laughing emojis and 1 smiling emoji. Remember when we talked about maturity?

The opinion you posted was subjective and antagonistic by the language you used. That was by design. I even picked you up on it.

That was not all there was to it. My reply had no mention of expectations of praise for Max.

Here it is again:-
"Aren't opinions wonderful :) You can have them and you don't even have to be right. 'too much' is subjective, especially when you are comparing to Max.
The only time Lewis has cried that I know of, was after winning the 2024 British GP.

Now that you've covered Max and Lewis, what are your opinions on the other 18 drivers?"

Tell me if I got something factually wrong with that post.
Yet you followed with the inappropriate "That's why no-one takes you seriously". You escalated.

Do we really need to run it all back to see how your posts devolved as they went on?

I insinuated nothing of the kind. I simply stated as a fact, that I am not obliged to heap praise on Max.

That came about because you said "And just because I don't like Max, it doesn't mean I can't admit he's the best driver in the field."

Firstly I disagree with your appraisal of Max, but secondly, just because you want to praise a driver you say you don't like, it doesn't mean I have to. I am under no obligation.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Now onto tackling your other two replies, which given the inordinate amount of laugh emojis will no doubt be trolling and mocking posts. So I'm guessing you'll be expecting positive smiley replies from me :)

What are you talking about? ? You posted an opinion, and so did I. How is that trolling? ? That was all there was to it until you insinuated that I expect you to heap praise on Max. Shame, Max has really got to you ?

On a more serious and factual note, Max being the best is an opinion I share with most of the drivers themselves, and the team principles. Uhm, I believe their opinions have infinitely more weight than yours, so yeah, please have your own opinions, but I'll go ahead trust them over you ?

"I have no idea"

I have a feeling you say that a lot.

"no idea why you felt it necessary to mention that you don't need to heap praise on Max."

Simple, because the way you were trolling me about it, showed that this is something you don't seem to realise.
What is your complaint exactly? What is it about me that's your problem?
I only ask as you seem so easily triggered with certain posts of mine, so what's the trigger? What do you have to read that sets you off?
Max criticism? Why do you even care if you don't like him either?
Yes it makes me feel better to say what I feel and put my honest opinions out there.

"I didn't say you can't have your own opinions either."

It wouldn't matter if you did. You'd be wrong if you did though.
But why is it when I post something you don't like, you attack me instead of the content of my post? Why not counter-argue my post instead of getting personal? The only answer has to be, because you're a troll. And you know how I respond to those.

In what way has my post been immature? You get back what you dish out. I've stated that often enough. If you still didn't get the memo and choose to keep putting your hand in the fire, then that's on you, but don't complain to me about the responses you get.

I suggest you drop me as a subject and return to F1 pretty sharpish.
Any further posts regarding me, will be reported. I'm not interested in what you think of me. Save it.

I have no idea why you felt it necessary to mention that you don't need to heap praise on Max. Actually, my apologies, I do, it's clear from most of your other posts. As for me, I don't care, like I said, I don't like him, but if it makes you feel better to get that out there then great ??

I didn't say you can't have your own opinions either. By all means, go ahead ??‍♂️

For someone who talks about posting in an immature way... er... ???‍♂️

Once again we have an individual (you), who proclaims to speak for the masses. There isn't much that I write on here that I need or require people to take seriously. These are not serious matters.
In the main, it is opinions (which are subjective) and discussions of a sport that doesn't really affect our day to day lives.

When you get to 30,000 likes mate, get back to me on the 'nobody takes you seriously'. All I want is for people to be respectful and not be so reactive to others opposing opinions if those opinions are stated in a civil manner. To not regard constructive criticism as trolling.

You write in a very immature manner and so you are treated that way.
When I mentioned about Lewis crying in Silverstone 2024, I thought it would have been obvious, even to you, that I was being literal.
As in actual crying with tears.

Your 'crying' is a world you disrespectfully want to use instead of 'complaining'. As you showed such disrespect, I gave a lot less value to your post and that was reflected in my reply.

I have never missed an F1 race since the beginning of 1994 season.

"I don't like Max, it doesn't mean I can't admit he's the best driver in the field."

Well, you go off on your merry way and admit that. But to say 'admit' is like you're stating it as a fact. But it's not. It's an opinion you hold.
Yes has had the best results in the last couple of years, but that's largely because he's also had the best car.

I don't have to agree with your opinion and as such I don't need to admit to such a thing. You are just going to have to learn to handle opinions that are different to yours.
I am under no obligation to heap praise onto Max or admit anything about him that I don't believe to be necessarily true.

"As for the other 18, I don't have the time to go through each one"

Well good, because I have about as much interest in hearing that as I do hearing your opinions of the other two or of myself.

Your criteria for how you judge and rate drivers is different to mine. That doesn't make yours right and mine wrong or vice versa.

Next time you post to me, decide if you want to troll me or engage in a respectful discussion about F1. I'm easy either way. Don't do like you did here and try to mix the two. I will always prioritise the negative over the positive.
Have a nice day.

..... wins. :)

100%

The only season that the fastest car did not win was 2021. Max beat Lewis in a slower car. Thats why a lot of biased English hate Max.
When its Max, its always the car. When its Lewis, its always Lewis. Its shamefull. I thought English are allies, they are not. So disrespectfull.

Same old recycled rubbish.
All this 'Max in a slower car' nonsense is pure drivel. Especially concerning 2021.

How many biased Dutch fans hate Lewis? I'll wager it's a good amount. Then you have the non-Dutch Max fans who hate Lewis.

You don't get to determine the reasons for other people's feelings or putting them all in the one box marked 'hate'. Totally spurious rubbish.

Perhaps you should shut up trying to make this about the English.
Do you have Anglophobia?
Why would any sense of being allies as countries have anything to do with the now tribal world of F1?

There was nothing in my post about Max that was not factual. So where is the disrespect? That I'm not singing his praises? I'll leave that to you.

"When its Max, its always the car. When its Lewis, its always Lewis."

Well I could show evidence of the opposite when I hear the anti-Lewis mob. Swings and roundabouts.

By staring Max beat Lewis in 2021 in a slower car, you are not only inaccurate by preying on a myth that RB fans like to promote, but you are disrespecting Lewis.
Also had the rules been abided by, Max would have lost to Lewis in 2021 and they would have shares 9 wins a-piece.

Got anything else? Something fresh maybe?

JV is a mouthpiece, desperately trying to stay relevant.